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| Loni15. 09. 2011 21:01:37 |
heinz, just one more off-topic. Ours in his good 11 years has never shown teeth to anyone, but has a lifelong "allergy" to drunks, when someone smelling of alcohol just approaches him, he starts barking so much you think he'll take off. And that's it...
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| tisa15. 09. 2011 21:04:55 |
Let me add my experiences, which I have or rather don't have with dogs, to this debate. We know that every person emits a certain energy, positive or negative, which we also sense, but animals much sooner and stronger. And when a dog senses that we fear it or don't like it, it might react negatively, even if we just look at it, because it already feels slightly threatened. These reactions can be very different. No pup has ever growled at me or even bitten me, although they tell me it will happen to me someday because I have this bad habit of approaching almost every pup to pet it and offer my hand in greeting, which it sniffs, wags its tail and that's the acquaintance over. Of course some owners don't like that, I sense it and then I don't approach the dog. But my experiences aren't the rule, yet it's some indicator that often we ourselves are to blame in one way or another for the pup reacting negatively towards us. Of course I fully agree that the dog must be leashed wherever it is, because despite all their cuteness they are unpredictable, especially in old age. How a dog can also enjoy high mountains I convinced myself last year when I ran into a mountain rescuer and his dog, who was running around on the summit, didn't stop for a minute, but could hardly wait until he and his master, with whom we chatted a bit, headed down and he happily dashed down the rocks. So "where with the dog" is completely dependent on the dog's breed and condition, about which a lot has already been said here. I hope that the mountaineers who go to the mountains with dogs are nature lovers and that both they and their pets are aware that in the hills they are only visitors, not residents and behave accordingly.
Good luck everyone.
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| serajko15. 09. 2011 21:27:00 |
tisa hi
what are you hinting at
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| tisa15. 09. 2011 21:34:08 |
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| JusAvgustin15. 09. 2011 21:54:18 |
just Rex is still the king!
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| tisa15. 09. 2011 21:58:49 |
Yes, true JusAvgustin, Rex is an exceptional pup.
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| VanSims15. 09. 2011 22:35:29 |
To me it seems that even this Rex on some pictures looks so angry that he almost pierces with his gaze. 
The nicest so far were from JTrogar and skalar50 also has a nice pup.
But tastes differ...
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| Irina15. 09. 2011 23:41:12 |
Everything has already been said about doggies and their owners. So I'll just add a photo of our little rascal.
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| janna16. 09. 2011 00:00:07 |
Don't put untrained dogs due to weird owners in the same basket as rescue dogs
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| tisa16. 09. 2011 06:01:02 |
Rescue dogs are certainly exceptional, just like most of their owners who are usually rescuers themselves. But ordinary dogs can also be exceptional, especially mixes that can be very clever and healthier than purebreds. No offense. All puppies are cute to me anyway and I have a positive attitude to every single one.
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| Loni16. 09. 2011 07:49:51 |
A mixed breed can also be trained as a rescue dog, so no dilemma there. We have two, a retired rescue one and a slightly younger well-raised mix too. And until we had dogs at home, I was scared to death of them because of several bites I'd suffered.
With ours we've crossed all local hills (Idrija-Cerkno hills), mountains above Bovec, Tolmin (while brother was paragliding over the hills), dog can walk on ladders too, but since he did it "professionally" he never had to in free time. But because ours is rescue, I'm used to that kind of dog behavior, yet I've been negatively surprised many times, not by the dog but by the owner. And I absolutely hate that, since ours hasn't done anything to anyone yet. You can never guarantee our little devil won't have some outburst someday. But everything can be kept well under control. Some dog has attacked him already, not just once, and always when ours was leashed.
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| VanSims16. 09. 2011 11:49:24 |
@MajaO: So-called dangerous breeds are breeds that require, as someone said here already, a lot of responsibility and also lots of work, time, attention... In wrong hands they can be a time bomb. Same as weapons.
Hmmm, just wondering why e.g. one wouldn't be allowed to walk the hills with a lion or Siberian tiger. Well raised, tamed and trained, real kitty. Sniffs someone or approaches and if they twitch a bit it scratches 'Yeah it wouldn't do anything!' Nice, huh! 
Are you going to judge the animal just because it's a different species? Are dogs worth more than tigers, lions, cheetahs...? Prejudice problems?
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| krasovc16. 09. 2011 12:37:54 |
Exactly, VanSims. And those with dogs apparently don't understand like others.
If dogs then freak out seeing another dog (happens quite a lot), and they see it's not dangerous. Don't know what those European standards are? In Italy dangerous breeds must have muzzle mesh too, short leash mandatory for all dogs, even rescue or mixes.
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| VanSims16. 09. 2011 14:59:17 |
MajaO: Problem is our legislation sucks. Too lenient and full of holes owners exploit. Yes we must respect law but problem is even as is, they don't.
Dangerous dog status is nonsense anyway. Then must wear muzzle (see one or two a year with it).
Dog that bites human (without provocation) should be taken from owner and put in shelter at his cost. Plus hefty fine.
Dog that seriously injures human is only for injection anyway. Automatically and immediately, not debating like Meglič case whether to take or not. All at owner's expense. Plus jail.
Then owners would watch more. Such legislation and control now is almost NOTHING!
For info: more European countries and US states introduce dangerous breed lists. Denmark did it last few years ago.
Dog bit you and you reported, I want it doesn't happen at all!
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| lynx16. 09. 2011 15:26:35 |
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| VanSims17. 09. 2011 09:46:06 |
Huh, special spot? Everyone has their own special spot, which might not be anything special to someone else. I definitely won't send you where it was nicest for me this year because it's over 3200 m and the final ridge is in no way suitable for a dog, especially if you have two at once
It was nice in Stelvio this year too, but it's a bit longer; you'd need several days. There are nice paths described there in Hiking in Italy (Google Books) that are probably also suitable for dogs, likely strictly on a leash because it's a national park.
Regarding Slovenia: Čaven is very nice and there's a nice view of half of Slovenia from the nearby Golaki on clear weather of course, then if you can squeeze it into one day or if you go for the weekend, also go to Otliško okno. The neighboring Gradiška tura is nice too. Of course, over the wall is not suitable for a dog, but around via Plaz and past the chapel there's a nice path. Then you can also hop to Vojkova koča or Nanos.
Šmarna gora is something special for me too, but there are huge crowds of people and dogs (unleashed) too Perhaps the neighboring Grmada is a bit less crowded.
Kamniško sedlo is fine too (from Kamniška Bistrica it's possible with a dog too, from Logarska only to the start of the wall above Okrešljem).
Right after the border in Austria, Dobrač is interesting. Of course not via the path I took up, because it's too dangerous for a dog in my opinion, but from Čajna it's nice (I descended via it). This is the path to which the path from Hermsberg described on this portal connects. Or of course you can drive the panoramic road (expensive toll) and then you have just 1h15 walk to the top on a wide road. Oh yes, in Austria also watch that the dogs are really leashed, because the hunter there still has (just like in the past with us) the right to shoot a dog if it runs free.
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| otiv19. 09. 2011 08:37:21 |
I have to say that from my experience they are much more aggressive, bark more and bite, especially puppies of small breeds. They rush at your legs unprovoked, Chihuahuas, Pekingese, ptičarji etc. So I have to say that I "fear" small dogs more than big ones. But highland terriers are very cute and friendly, as are poodles. You, MajaO, can surely answer why. Are the owners also at fault there, or is it just the self-defense of the little dogs due to their size, so they bark and bite out of fear.
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| VanSims19. 09. 2011 11:25:38 |
The same applies to people whom their parents wrapped in cotton wool as children, various mama's boys,...
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| tisa19. 09. 2011 11:35:19 |
You're right, VanSims, both children and puppies become "mental invalids" with such treatment.
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| dogna19. 09. 2011 18:02:29 |
I know Majo O. and her puppy well. They are exceptionally well-trained dogs; it's a real pleasure to watch their skills. Maja is a very responsible owner and also a very good trainer. Her advice is certainly very professional. I've seen many dogs in the mountains so far and have good experiences. I've seen a poodle that, although quite small, climbed Dolgi hrbet with its owner. Around the Czech hut it was completely at home. I think mainly responsible owners go hiking with dogs, of course there are exceptions, but since the topic is "where to the mountains with a dog" I suggest Koča Grega in the western Julian Alps from Zajzerska planina and then perhaps to bivouac Stuparich, or just strolling around there with wonderful views of Montaž and Viš. Have a nice time, with puppies or without.
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