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| Grenaleva1. 10. 2015 10:05:52 |
Thanks for the quick reply, we'll write impressions, fingers crossed for weather for views, for coffee breaks we'll prepare some treats  
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| Grenaleva16. 10. 2015 12:26:11 |
We're still waiting for a nice weekend, but who knows how much snow has fallen?
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| slamca16. 10. 2015 14:52:39 |
@ Grenaleva, call the hut at Zelenica.
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| Dr.ejči16. 10. 2015 15:32:26 |
I doubt they see much, because the hut is closed weekdays...(probably because richer?)
Otherwise both peaks are nicely walkable even in snow, though I strongly doubt much fell up there...
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| Grenaleva16. 10. 2015 16:52:08 |
No answer at the hut, on the webcam around two it was snowy around the hut, now there's a bit less. Is Zelenjak not problematic with little snow?
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| ljubitelj gora16. 10. 2015 17:34:01 |
In case of snow all peaks (Vrtača, Zelenjak, Palec) are problematic without winter gear.
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| Dr.ejči16. 10. 2015 20:08:52 |
So you had winter gear on Monday?
Can you tell me what you need winter gear for in 2-3 cm southern snow?
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| mukica16. 10. 2015 21:02:30 |
Needs a bit of airing out before regular use
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| Grenaleva18. 10. 2015 16:56:36 |
I can report on today's ascent. Up to the gully ok, about 10 cm of snow, on Zelenjak very dangerous, on Palec doable with some caution. It's already quite well trodden, just below the summit it goes, across the rock nice and slowly. At the top fog and wind.
And also: the junction is no longer marked with a cairn, not marked at all
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| tinky19. 10. 2015 13:29:52 |
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| lino19. 10. 2015 14:01:02 |
Tinky documented that the cairn was there. Maybe they're already stealing cairns (pardon, alienating them).
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| tinky19. 10. 2015 14:59:46 |
lino, once again, documented.
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| lino19. 10. 2015 15:16:45 |
Tinky, I can't believe someone is so malicious. Such a cairn can be life-important for terrain newbie in fog. So frustrated folks and psychopaths are also venturing into the mountains, delighting in the thought that someone struggles to find the right path. Sad!
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| Daaam19. 10. 2015 15:28:53 |
Different views/opinions on erecting/dismantling cairns are as old as tourists going to the hills. Some build them, some tear down, some just watch them. What's right or not is personal belief, no point rediscovering America. lp
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| dprapr19. 10. 2015 16:00:49 |
If cairn is life-important in fog, we shouldn't be on such "paths" in fog!
I'm among those who just watch them, like Daam. Sometimes glad for one, sometimes too many, like in Martuljek somewhere. Not surprised if someone removes one. E.g. on Oltar-Rokav ridge loads of them one after another. Actually more interesting to search for path continuation than served on platter.
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| Janez Seliškar19. 10. 2015 16:01:02 |
There are paths and "paths". Paths are for all, properly marked-signposted, "paths" for those who can find and follow them.
To each their abilities.
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| lino19. 10. 2015 16:44:29 |
Janez Seliškar, There are paths and "paths". Very short and precise explanation of mountain paths. I can also tell the other commentators: everyone is right in their own way.
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| ločanka19. 10. 2015 17:59:13 |
I understand the one who doesn't set up a cairn, but I don't understand the one who tears it down. This smells like anger to me!
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