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The day before yesterday (Sunday, May 15) from the end of the road in Lučka Bela to Planina Šibje, along the hunting path to Presedljaj, across to Planina Stare Stale, along the lower path over Grofov Štant, over the ridge and back to Planina Šibje.

That day I was lucky: at Šibje or where this pasture used to be, I accidentally spotted a trail branching right up towards Lastovec. A bit further on the other side of the dry streambed, a rock with a red label and arrow: "Lovska Pres". Following the red marks, after about ten minutes right below the edge of the scree area, I came upon a completely untrodden but long ago clearly man-made hunting trail towards Presedljaj.

The path is well traceable, for a hunting trail almost too well marked. The last few meters of the path right below Presedljaj had almost untouched brush along the trail, the path somehow concealed from the eyes of visitors who wander here on marked trails. From Presedljaj I descended about fifty meters back and followed the left fork that I had spotted on the way up. After two or three hundred meters, the trail got lost for five or ten meters in a steep, sandy and crumbly gully that dropped precipitously far down into the valley. The crossing seemed quite demanding to me. Higher up a spring flows from the wall, a bit further about fifteen meters of slanted black slabs block the path. Tiny holds and steps in the solid black rock were a real balm for the soul after the experience with dangerous crumbly sand down there.

Planina Stare Stale, a round clearing at over 1600 meters altitude and about 170 meters diameter seemed really pleasant to me. From its other side a small waterfall was gurgling refreshingly. It was hot.

From the pasture a marked path leads towards Šibje. At the saddle, the upper hunting path over Grofov Štant branches off first. After about ten minutes towards Šibje, at a hidden dried tree, a hard-to-follow trail branches left from the marked path. After two hundred meters it leads to Zijalka under Starimi Štalami, a hole about 15 meters across like from a fairy tale. Lower down is a modest hunting blind with a nice view over the entire Grofov Štant area. On the other side of the slope I spotted a bushy little ridge that I reached last time. From the blind the trail leads across to the left, then down and through partially overgrown scree terrain. From there towards the distinct pot-bellied conical tower with a narrow top tip ended by three unusual stone fingers.

The passage under the tower was undemanding. Quite another story was on the other side of the tower. Narrow sandy clearing, above which the rock had not a single reliable hold led to a short wall. From afar the steps and holds over there looked even comfortable. But on the wall everything was wobbling. Here and there a stone fell from under me, bounced off the wall a few times and crashed deep down on the scree. Carefully I cheated my way across there onto the scenic bushy ridge and further to the ridge edge, to which there were only a few dozen meters of real hunting path above the precipice.

On the other side I descended along a barely perceptible trail that I already knew. After ten minutes, at the place where I lost it last time, from the gully by the fallen tree I turned onto the grassy ridge where I found it again this time. After a nice passage under the rocky barrier I followed it to about 100 meters above Planina Šibje, where it hopelessly disappeared under numerous fallen trees. Among them I searched for a passage and surprisingly reached the pasture right along that trail I had spotted completely by chance in the morning.

At five large rocks in the dry streambed, about 70 meters before entering the watery valley of Bela, out of curiosity I crossed the streambed once more. Through the forest I climbed straight up to the path to Presedljaj known from the morning and returned down it to find its start. But a few dozen meters above the streambed this trail also disappeared. Many years ago I heard rumors that hunting paths deliberately start only a bit higher in the forest, because they are thus hidden from unwanted visitors. Maybe there's something to it.

I still had a little strength and peeked into the valley under Presedljaj. Cold pools were a real refreshment after the hot day. The soul will probably give peace now for a while. At least two to three days would be decent.

More details on Modrina neba.

The day before yesterday, on Saturday, November 20th, up via the passage from the title and down the hunter's path to Žagana peč.

The far right passage from Kurje Valley to Kalce is described ascetically briefly in the climbing guide Kamniška Bistrica (Golnar, Morojna, Pollak, Horvat): "Hunter's passage: I Into Kurje Valley and right to the shoulder by Hlev. Via passages to the top" (I probably first difficulty grade).

I've been there for checks twice already, last time alone a good month ago. This time friend Professor joined the team, with whom we sometimes wander around. We didn't start too early, but we did. The sun was already nicely warming the peaks above Bistrica. At views of the warm Kogljeva wall triangle we both sighed. Skuta and Štruca higher on blue sky were already debate fodder. I mumbled about "tempi passati", Professor firmly against such shameful surrender. We synced our views when realizing I eyed the overhanging Belly of Štruca, he the South crack of Skuta.

From end of upper cart track heading toward Hlev but soon ending, turned obliquely left up to start of collapsed gully to Kapela cave. Then right to forested ridge. 100m higher slot cave with cute name Kurje zjalo. Discovered March 2019, cataloged this spring. After steep passage 100m right of cave scratched to Shoulder by Hlev (also Jankov turn, some on turn names at gore-ljudje).

In ridge above turn/shoulder carved chimney with rock bypassed right (detail ~II). Then ~3 pitches nothing harder, just steep grass mixed rocky base, occasional tree for psych support. Rock good except loose holds in grass that pull out.

Above section at prominent chimney found left passage over few meters wet grassy dirty slabs (II or bit more) then up. Slope above thin grass, foot slipped badly. Then ~70m easier, arrived right under summit of Zeleni (or Ramšakov turn, who knows real name).

After gentle bushwhacking stood on first turn summit, soon second. Steepness concrete here and there, bit exposed, felt like great path on Rušnata and Požgana Mlinarica. Views to Kalški and Čmaževski turns and surrounds excellent.

Descent to grassy ridgelet to hunter path easy. Spotted pruned bush twigs once or twice, sign summits visited sometime. To hunter hut where we ended the ascent just over five minutes walk. All lonely wild unique late autumn experience reminding of first climbing days half a century ago. And, of course: thanks to Pastirica for selfless advice and details on these spots!

NOTE: Though guide calls hunter passage, more climbing route. Easier overall but ascent here much harder than other local hunter passages (Najnar štant, Mokrica from Kurje Valley, lower Gamsov skret secured at key spots, Za vratami gully I think even harder than Repov kot to Srebrno sedlo). Upper half more direct line to turn top, but possible easier variants. Lower chimney with rock (~II) above Jankov turn key unbypassable spot. Not suitable for descent.

More thoughts and pics, and also approach description, posted on Modrina neba.

Well, this is the one described above. It is also drawn on MAPZS with both variants.
The ladder is already quite bad, but it can be done.

One path goes left from Repov kot (at approx. 1280m) and leads into the Za Vratami gully and further across Movzina and Planjavske zelenice to Sukalnik.

At 1470 m a path variant branches left from this path (with wooden ladder), and about 100 m higher another variant also left. Both merge on the ridge some 400 meters from the junction, from there the path descends gradually down approx. towards Pastirci. It joins the path to Kamniško sedlo a bit above Pastirci.

In the area of both junctions one gets a bit lost, but in principle it is passable, to me also nice. Like all hunting paths. Last time I was there some two years ago.

Nature Conservation Act, Article 28b, Paragraph 4:

"Regardless of the provision of the first paragraph of this article, stopping or parking of motor-powered vehicles is allowed in a strip of five meters outside the roadway, if stopping or parking is in accordance with regulations governing road traffic(!!), and if the landowner does not object to it".

Otherwise nicely written, but in practice it allows the warden to act quite at his own discretion.

Absolutely missing visible markings of areas where parking is allowed. Often it is difficult to determine where the forest road actually ends and continues as a track or path... For a visitor to check this for each place separately in the cadastre or in municipal acts is a bit strange.

And also this: could e-bikes also be motor-powered vehicles? The law says (2nd paragraph of Article 28): other means of transport that enable movement faster than walking, with the power of their own engine or with the power of another own propulsion of the vehicle (hereinafter: motor-powered vehicles).

Day before yesterday via detours to Trta and back. Parking in Kurja vas is a real balm for the soul. In the morning, but not too early, it was empty. No barrier, no desperate search for a free spot ... Below the start of the ascent, about fifteen minutes' walk from the parking lot, there is still a large space that was used for loading during the cleanup after the 2014 ice storm, but I decided to start in Kurja vas anyway.

The path towards Trta once ran through the forest in comfortable zigzags, but today they are no longer there. The forest is also gone, only a huge, barren steep slope remains, where among numerous dried branches, sawn stumps of felled trees stick into the sky. I started along an abandoned logging road that leads straight up. When the bushes on the left run out, the road turns in that direction and turns into an unmaintained tractor path (or perhaps just a remnant of the former path), which leads almost horizontally towards the west. But not for long. When it ends, an ascent is possible along a wide ridge (a path in the making), which above, at the first trees, becomes for a while a fairly well-visible path along the eastern bank of a sandy gully.

At the end of the horizontal path I continued straight into that gully, wandered a bit along it and through the forest west of it and at the upper end of the eastern branch of the gully returned back into the forest above its eastern part. Continuation towards the ridge between Srednja gora and Trta would be self-evident if there weren't quite a few fallen trees lying on the slope. I turned a few meters right onto a steep ridge and up it. I was lucky, the trunks there lay mostly in the direction of ascent and it wasn't hard to avoid them. Here and there I spotted remnants of a path, which were welcome in the rather wooded steep slope. I reached the ridge (Vinarica is supposedly the name for that part) at the remnant of a tree overgrown with numerous mushrooms. From there it's still about 150 vertical meters to the summit along a traceable ridge path through undergrowth. The wooded slopes on both sides are quite steep, but there are no difficulties. To me it was very beautiful, wild and lonely.

The summit is friendly and comfortable, but due to the forest almost without a view. And the dust in the air did its part. I intended to descend a bit to the saddle between Trta and Mala Trta to look for a traverse path that leads back under the ridge and then across the gully. But suddenly the wind started blowing, whose gusts seemed quite stronger than the forecast for that altitude. The wind direction was north or northeast, but the wind was supposed to blow from southern directions. A few branches fell from the trees, so out of caution I quickly headed back along the path I had ascended.

A bit higher above the place where I returned across the sandy gully on the ascent, my attention was caught by a barely traceable path that led horizontally across the gully and then further towards the saddle between the two Trtas. It could have been the one I planned to return by, if the wind hadn't driven me away.

Through the forest, which from there on is no longer steep, I descended along the eastern bank of the sandy gully. At first I didn't see the path, maybe it was never there, but it appeared at the place where in the morning I had climbed from the gully into the forest on its western side. Nearby I also spotted two unusual cables. Both are firmly attached just above the ground, each to its own tree, and lead in the direction of the top of a common, already somewhat dried tree. Lower down, just above the clearing, I noticed a third, similar one. It was lying on the ground. Hmmm...

At the clearing the path ends, but there are trodden footprints through the grass and undergrowth, along which one can descend quite comfortably to the end of the horizontal path. One day this might become a real path.

In the parking lot there was only one car besides mine. Recreational cyclists on the road to Mojstrana, as many as you want.

Note: from Vinarica a poorly visible ridge path leads across Srednja gora to Biščkova glava. At two places, due to fallen trees, the time on the path is slightly extended, but it's not bad.

A few more pictures at Modrini neba.

Thanks, Majda! It's all a bit unclear to me. If you pay below and in the meantime look at e.g. the memorial park, and the Russian chapel etc., the parking lot at the top is still waiting for you and for how long? And vice versa, you take a ticket, try to pay at the saddle, but there's no free parking space.
We'll see how they've figured this out.

Majda: "At the barrier they will take the parking ticket"...
Maybe you know, is parking also paid there?

Nature Conservation Act (ZON). It defines an offence and penalty for unauthorized driving, stopping or parking with motor vehicles in the natural environment (first paragraph of Article 28.b).
- Driving ban: In the natural environment it is forbidden to drive, stop or park motor vehicles outside permitted lanes (5 meters from the edge of the roadway).
- Offence (point 10): Organizing or carrying out driving with a motor vehicle where it is not allowed is dealt with under point 10 of the first paragraph of Article 160.a.
- Fine: For an individual the fine ranges from 1,000 to 2,000 euros.
- Vehicle seizure: In case of a repeat offence within two years, an additional sanction of confiscation (seizure) of the motor vehicle may also be imposed.

Kot, last Sunday: a little before six in the morning I got one of the last parking spots. The number of vehicles (I didn't count, around 80) didn't bother me as much as the fact that there is no sign anywhere where parking is allowed or where one might already be in violation. At least, for example, the beginning and end of the area along the track. A term like "at Lengarjev rovt" can be quite broad and allows for draconian fines for violators solely at the discretion of the official who controls it.

I quickly googled where parking is allowed in the area of Mojstrana accesses, but found very little. For example:
- Notice about parking spaces in the Krma and Kot valleys from 2024
- Links in Google maps that exactly show the location, but of course not the parking boundary
- And some lame picture from the long-term TNP plan 2016 - 2025.

I'm attaching all three pictures.

Does anyone know more?

Beautiful tour and balanced post of interesting details from the trail! Congratulations on the tour, the post and of course - the upbringing!

Nice! Congratulations!

Congratulations to both! It's nice to read you, Little One...

Yesterday another ramble around Velika Planina, which is suspiciously becoming a habit for me. We left the car at Rakova Ravan, then for a while along the road to Ušivec and soon sharply left towards Gojska Planina. At the turn-off for Domžalski Dom I spotted the last living soul, then no one to the end of the trail. At the top of Bukovec a strong gust of wind hit us, but it calmed quickly. The descent was leisurely; in Tiha Dolina we paused briefly by the crumbling cable car hut. Then we pushed up towards Mali Griči, where a small but splendid and nearly untouched stash of pršut was waiting just for us. We happily devoured it two or three times. Mačkin Kot parking is a few minutes around one or two corners, the road from there to Ušivec and beyond is driven on but not plowed. It goes a bit up and down at first, from Ušivec only downhill. Comfortable, but nothing special.

We gauged the cold at about -8 or -9 degrees, colder by the gauges. Snow on the trail blown to around 10 or 15 cm, in places more or less as shaped by the wind. But enough for carefree touring on touring skis. It felt somehow primeval, truly original to me; skis were probably used mostly for travel back then. And we viewed the Kamnik-Savinja Alps from an angle I'd rarely seen before. Let the photos say more.

From Zeleni Rob we heard snowmobile rattling from afar; also on the road to Ušivec a noisy driver approached us, but turned before us, leaving us in a cloud of stinking exhaust.

Daily parking above Podvolovljek is 12€, annual pass 40€, road is plowed. Other side under cable car parking is free.

Today from Ušivec across Mala planina to Gradišče and back. A few cm of fresh and trodden snow covered sections of old ice, no slipping. Walk was actually very pleasant, even a bit crunchy. Met about a hundred walkers.

Won't discuss views much. Let those two or three pics I took speak.

I enjoyed it.

Today was a day for Rodica. Or not, depending on who. Reports during the drive reported 50 km/h westerly on Kredarica, at the turnoff for Nomenj it was all foggy, sky clouded over.

I parked at the end of the road that leads from Laški Rovt. There was no moisture in the air here, sky clear, up there in the direction of Suha pasture the howling of the wind could be heard..

Continuous snow cover started at Suha pasture, but in a nasty form: on the frozen crust you either slipped or it broke through. Not too deep, but those few hundred meters of gradually ascending plain took quite some energy from me. I avoided the crossing of the gully on the left side via a traverse path about fifty meters higher. Crampons here crisply gripped the snow, actually I could hardly wish for better conditions. In the little valley below Mala Rodica and further I kept somewhat to the right in shady spots so crampons gripped better, and there was no wind. To the summit I huffed up the northwest ridge. There too there was just the right hardness of snow for comfortable walking with points.

Up there it was windy, not too bad, but not too pleasant. Views to the west, north and east beautiful, Primorska side covered with clouds. As forecast.

I returned the same way. The path to Rodica from the south side is almost bare, if you go from the north, winter gear is quite necessary.

Speechless! Congratulations!