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| VanSims31. 07. 2012 15:57:47 |
At 22h silence even with Italians. They stick to that.
Haven't slept here yet but how about payment for overnight? Pay on check-in or after the night? In the latter case, if nighttime racket, simply don't pay in the morning. Let them call the police and whoever.
When ordering anyway rule anywhere even in valley:
1. Ask for prices (if no menu ask)
2. Order
3. When brings, demand bill before start eating/drinking
4. If amount matches expectations pay and enjoy, else complain and if not considered leave all, stand up and go without arguing.
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| ivona31. 07. 2012 18:42:34 |
Rarely post here, but VanSims encouraged me!
I too have thought (to myself), wouldn't pay for stay if partying all night in hut-have experienced several times. More of us should get up in the morning and pay nothing, then hut keepers and PD would think differently soon.(what mountain hut is and purpose we all can read on PZS pages)
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| gams4431. 07. 2012 19:55:11 |
...otherwise stay at home since there's no loss with you 
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| jprim31. 07. 2012 20:29:56 |
ah, no, we once said that we're patient on this forum gams44
LP!
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| VanSims31. 07. 2012 21:58:21 |
gams44 are you one of those hut keepers or did PZS appoint you, because my idea is obviously falling on fertile ground and you'd lose profit from sold alcohol and overnight stays to such animals who came to the hut to do what they can also do in the valley i.e. boozing (sorry to the animals living in nature for comparing them to such primitives).
As I said, I don't sleep in huts at home, because I go to our mountains only for day trips otherwise organize yourselves:
Let it be that when someone survives such a racket in the hut, in the morning ask your roommates a bit how they "slept" then organize and go to the keeper and tell him you won't pay. Cool-headed without arguing and nicely leave.
It happens a couple of times and such keepers will think a bit maybe even someone from PZS top.
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| dprapr31. 07. 2012 22:40:52 |
I've been going to the mountains for many years only on day trips. Two years ago, however, my wife and I slept once in Tičarjev dom on Vršič so we'd have a shorter way the next day to the hills in the Bovec area. We slept in a room with shared bunks where the beds are so worn out, God help. Around 23:00 the cyclists returned who had all rooms reserved and made such a racket that in the morning we felt like we had bivouacked half-sitting somewhere on a wall. Since then I don't even think of sleeping in any hut.
Maybe we accidentally hit "gužva" in the mountain hut, however, as mentioned, mountain huts after 22:00 are for rest and nothing else. And the keeper is obliged to ensure that!
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| VanSims31. 07. 2012 23:02:16 |
>Since then I don't even think of sleeping in any hut.
Why? Why should you be worse off because of some cattle (sorry again to the cattle grazing around pastures)? If we behave like that then primitivism wins. Fewer and fewer people who really use the hut as shelter will go to huts and it will be even worse because such cattle will then really do whatever they want.
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| plansar12331. 07. 2012 23:50:27 |
Come on, sober up a bit, otherwise if you don't pay then you've committed the criminal offense of fraud. If it were up to you then something would bother everyone just so they don't have to pay. I've slept many times, also ran into such rowdiness as you describe (really not pleasant), but snoring on the next bed bothered me even more, and when someone goes to the WC at night, once an Italian ground his teeth all night so I thought I was watching a horror movie, and not to mention those disposable sheets from that... don't know how to say, we called it varteks... And when exhausted lost frozen hikers come in the middle of the night...(keeper can't leave anyone in front of locked doors), etc. I take such things into account because I know I'm not in a hotel but in a mountain hut that offers shelter from cold and wind and that I can rest enough to continue tomorrow.
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| VanSims1. 08. 2012 00:47:19 |
plansar123: things you mention (snoring, wc, grinding) are such that the person doing it can't influence them. But on the rowdiness of primitive calves the keeper can!
And let him report me he'll have the matter spread across all internet mountain and news forums and also on mountain forums e.g. Italy and Austria and in all Slovenian media (close relative is a journalist and knows people). Then let him count the loss of income because of that which will surely be greater than the fine I'll pay or those couple ten euros he'll get back! With interest!
Maybe I can actually return them to him even before the hearing then spread the event!
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| jezičnik3. 09. 2012 13:42:26 |
I however have quite some praise for Cojzova koča. Food is excellent and the keepers are very friendly too.
True, in the upper rooms you hear conversations from lower rooms very well, but a few minutes after ten in the evening everyone (on keeper's instruction) went to sleep. My wife and I slept two nights and were very nicely received.
The only remark I have is lack of water. The trickle from the tap is so small that in one minute half a liter collects. To brush teeth barely, anything more you can't do with that water.
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| @rekar3. 09. 2012 16:03:57 |
@VanSims, we already discussed this topic once on this forum. Then you had a lot to say about it, I think you're just a troublemaker in the mountains and finally on this forum. I suggest if you happen to go to the mountains, to avoid mountain lodges and huts from afar. My second suggestion? .........the best is that you stay at home in the armchair and in front of the TV, then no one will disturb you and you won't need to open this forum. Thanks for understanding, Mr. VanSims
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| Zebdi3. 09. 2012 16:40:40 |
VanSims is completely right. Huts are built there for a purpose - and that's definitely not endless boozing. For that, local bars are suitable...
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| joža x3. 09. 2012 16:51:04 |
Almost always I visit mountain huts along my tours, and I like to treat myself to something to eat, even more gladly, as befits a Styrian, something to drink. 2 to 3 times a year I also overnight. But in the last 2 years I've "crossed out" a few (2-3) huts temporarily. Mainly because they have very high prices relative to what they offer. Partying until midnight doesn't bother me (I like to join), not accordion, not drunks... What bothers me is when I get lukewarm beer on the table and something that's supposed to be bean stew (to fill up), but it's not, and bill 10 euros. I'd gladly pay 15 euros if beer is cold, bean stew tasty, not to be ripped off. Same with accommodation on T.h all top-notch but cheaper than shared beds in mountain homes, I could list more (all from own experiences). It's a rip-off, you pay for something (read anything) you didn't get, because e.g. in a valley inn (not everywhere) I get ice-cold beer and finger-licking bean stew for 7.5 euros..... And I'm not talking about huts supplied by helicopter.
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| VanSims3. 09. 2012 18:08:18 |
joža_x: That's capitalism: take it or leave it. I have nothing against that. Prices are based on supply and demand. If not, the market punishes you!
Even in the valley you find poor quality somewhere. But I have to say, I've never eaten badly in huts. If you don't like it somewhere, you have the absolute right not to go there anymore. Me too, I won't go to some hut anymore but for other reasons.
@rekar's reply reflects the mentality of a typical little Slovene: god forbid someone tries to improve something in this country, doesn't let themselves be ripped off by everyone - no, not that. Such a one needs to be buried, disabled. Because of such mentality this country is sinking into ever deeper sh*t!
And no, just because of one overzealous guy I don't plan to stay home, I'll keep going around, also to huts, where it's good I'll praise, where not I'll criticize. And I realize that keepers depend on me because I bring them money, not the other way around.
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| viharnik3. 09. 2012 18:45:18 |
Joža x is right about the slips in quality of service in some, not all, of our mountain stations. You need to know where they cook and serve well, where keepers are benevolent and friendly. Especially now in high mountaineering season they'd sell even what dogs wouldn't eat, just to pocket money.
Abroad you won't experience such, though rare, incidents. There when you cross the threshold of a mountain hut, you become their guest from head to toe. This year in France I had a chance to peek into their kitchen. Three staff worked diligently filling plates with full dedication and care. All veggies were up there that same morning, fresh salami, cheeses... and all that for not exaggerated 11€ at that altitude. By taste I felt everything was perfectly fresh, prepared for people-guests. They treat everyone the same with the same respect. Beds are in the same price range as here, half-board around 35-45€ including overnight stay.
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| VanSims3. 09. 2012 20:18:57 |
Well, comparing our huts to foreign ones is like comparing a regular regional train to a highway. Yes, really, there the infrastructure, service and friendliness is at least a few steps higher.
E.g. in Austria they are really as Maja says, very very friendly. Here friendliness is often perhaps robotic or overly acted, there it's really natural or they know how to act much much better.
At night no hubbub, not even with noisy Italians. With the latter somewhat annoying are the free-roaming dogs around huts and that they have to drag them inside by force even if the door says 'I cani non entrano!'
Keepers abroad also give all necessary info on path, conditions, gear, weather,... Here I've already run into ones who had no clue even about the home mountain or simply didn't bother to say anything.
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| Becar3. 09. 2012 22:41:44 |
More or less here it's about drunk rowdy hikers... So what. Has anyone experienced like me running into a drunk, rude and emboldened by drunken local patriots (like watching Deliverance) hut keeper?  It was this year in KSA, location I won't reveal.
+: Kamniško sedlo (friendliness, good food), Vodnikov dom (excellent food, pleasant atmosphere), Cojzova koča (friendliness, unfortunately didn't try food )
Regarding accommodations, some bad experiences caused me strong aversion and I go to the valley same day even on one leg if needed. Personally bothers me most if I can't properly wash before sleep.
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| dogna4. 09. 2012 17:42:23 |
Last Tuesday my husband and I were at Kriški podi, where we also slept. Hut was full, but at nine in the evening complete silence. That was a really pleasant surprise for us, as we've experienced all sorts in huts. The young girls working in the hut are fantastic. Friendly and obliging. They also cook well. In the evening they gladly made my husband very good pancakes. They are also very energetic and I think they wouldn't allow rowdiness. I think PD should have younger staff in huts, they are less tired, flexible and also nice to look at. Otherwise, as VanSims said, abroad (Austria, Italy). There is real order, food excellent. Overnight as PD members we paid 20 € for both. But we always bring our own bedding. The one in huts repels me. Good luck!
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| VanSims4. 09. 2012 17:55:47 |
@Becar: I think it would be for everyone's good if you said which hut it is, so we avoid it. Unless you're scared.
Complaining to PZS of course makes no sense - there everything hangs loose anyway.
Otherwise I'd praise e.g. Dom pod Storžičem: friendly keeper, good čemaževa soup with dumpling and beer (all together 5 EUR not much). Maybe annoying for some the spaniel that roams freely but is friendly and wants nothing.
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| @rekar4. 09. 2012 21:28:35 |
@VanSims, you are a plain TROUBLEMAKER and SWINDLER, such don't belong in the mountain paradise by chance. Realize that hut keepers are just people like you, but when a HEAVY like you enters the hut, every keeper loses the friendliness. When you head to Karavanke or Julians stop in Begunje, there maybe they'll help you.
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