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| Lunca16. 04. 2013 12:55:42 |
Meanwhile, I experienced a completely different story at the Sankaška hut above Sv. Peter... when I told the keeper I collect them, he gave me another one... for free 
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| mukica16. 04. 2013 12:55:51 |
I'm wondering if that 1.5€ goes to the tourist association or if storing postcards is so expensive...exceptions are everywhere..
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| Becar16. 04. 2013 13:17:56 |
I would generally introduce a regulation that obliges alpine huts with SPP stamp or extended SPP to install these stamps outside the alpine hut or in the vestibule. I notice that keepers often have stamps behind the counter, which we know means some expectation that you'll give something for that stamp. You come to ask for the stamp, and they immediately attack you with what you'll drink. Not all of us go to the mountains to stuff ourselves and booze in the huts and spend money there.
These mentioned keepers are already privileged compared to others, since the stamp brings them more business anyway. Especially on the extended alpine trail, some points are so commercialized that I have 10 suggestions right away for better, real alpine points. Sometimes I wonder who set up this extended trail and whether some connections in certain huts were involved.
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| Daaam16. 04. 2013 13:21:48 |
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| VanSims16. 04. 2013 13:27:15 |
@Becar: How do you know what their expectation is? You go in, get the stamp stamped, and bye. If they offer you something, you say no.
See my above note about Petrol. I've already started messing with them:
Him/Her: "Will you have yogurt (something sweet, gum, lotto,... you name it)?
Me: "Would I have to?"
Him/Her: - starts wriggling out of the awkward situation: "No sir, if you want (if you wish, not obligatory).
Me: "Well, if I want, I'll say so!" 
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| Becar16. 04. 2013 13:27:33 |
I'll give an example right from the start of SPP:
In the Mariborska Hut they have it super arranged, stamp in the vestibule, you don't disturb anyone, no one forces you etc.
In the Ruška Hut the stamp is behind the counter to which in winter months you can hardly get through, no one knows how to greet, you wait 10 min until someone comes (waiters are carrying lunches to the tables non-stop), when they come, of course they ask what you'll drink...
Can't this be arranged more elegantly?
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| jprim16. 04. 2013 13:30:26 |
I'm still wondering what's happening with the alpine hut under Kopa.
Anyone know?
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| Becar16. 04. 2013 13:34:37 |
@VanSims: I know those Petrol tricks. But I deliberately never take anything just because of the pushiness.
Another example. I arrive at the hut at St. Ana on Mali gori. Comments on the trail description claim the stamp is outside. I barely reach the first bench, haven't even taken off my backpack, and the keeper already flies over asking how he can serve me. I had all food and drink with me, where was the stamp? Behind the counter, so the keeper had to go inside extra for me to give it to me. It's annoying for me, and I think it was for him too.
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| dolenjka&primorc16. 04. 2013 14:19:06 |
PZS could impose on alpine huts that have SPP stamps to set up stamp boxes outside the huts. Especially in winter, when most huts are closed. 
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| jax16. 04. 2013 15:33:46 |
I strongly agree with the last one. Actually, I've always been of the opinion that those huts on SPP should be open every day in the summer season. As it is now, especially the Primorska part of SPP as a linking tour is very hard to do, because there are no accommodations, those that are, are often open only on weekends or - like say Slavnik - close for a month even in season.
Of course, this is an additional cost that PZS would have to cover for the alpine associations that manage those huts. But if we want to do SPP seriously, then it would be almost necessary.
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| bitničar16. 04. 2013 19:44:35 |
As far as I know, the hut keeper must confirm the authenticity of the stamp with a signature. So what would it help if the stamp is outside and the keeper is inside the hut?
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| Becar16. 04. 2013 19:52:43 |
Authenticity doesn't need to be confirmed; that's some old rule that no longer applies. The rule is completely nonsensical anyway. Why would the hut keeper confirm the stamp if there's no one on the summits to confirm it? Or why would photos that no one signs then count? No logic.
In general, there are quite a few points without those stamps marked spp or extended spp. As many mountaineers as I've talked to had many such stamps and no one made problems when awarding the badge, which is the only right thing.
Plus, how much worse some would behave then if you order nothing, then ask the keeper first for the stamp and then for a signature 
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| VanSims16. 04. 2013 20:08:45 |
Hey Becar, where does it say you have to order something if you ask for a stamp? 
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| Holcar216. 04. 2013 20:28:32 |
It annoys me that for SPP you have to put in huts "special stamp and not the ordinary one that anyone can have". That's total nonsense, just complicating. You were at the hut or somewhere, period. What need to split hairs 
and that with presenting the mountain ID, which I don't have because I'm not a member of any PD and as such I get by fine. That insurance I have arranged myself and don't need some extra hassle.
So far I haven't put any special stamp in the booklet, only ordinary ones. If they don't accept it, so what. Devil take them!
I prove myself to myself and I don't care about some stupid badge.
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| bitničar16. 04. 2013 20:31:21 |
Check the third article of the rules at the end of the logbook.
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| Becar16. 04. 2013 21:03:11 |
@VanSims: Nowhere is it written, but that doesn't mean that all hut keepers understand it or agree with it. And if I see that someone has trouble giving the stamp because you didn't order anything, I do care, whereas you obviously remain cold as a spritzer about it. Am I wrong?
@Karahawk: Exactly. I'm not a PD member either, haven't given the booklet for signature anywhere because those who have the badge already advised me not to do it because I'd look weird, that hut keepers don't feel like signing it because they have more important work.
@Bitnicar: Yes, it does say that, but right now I can list from memory where they don't have the required stamps: Žavcarjev vrh, Lisca, Resevna, Mrzlica, Geoss, Slivnica, Koča na Trstelju, and probably more could be found. So what should I do if the required stamps aren't there? I just use the ones they have. I don't ask hut keepers to sign because others advised against it and I haven't seen anyone do it. I want to complete the SPP booklet and the extended SPP. I have photos everywhere too. If that's not enough for the badges, then let them keep them. I won't burden hut keepers with signatures in the future either
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| VanSims16. 04. 2013 21:29:01 |
@Becar: I don't collect stamps. But I don't understand, does he say he won't give you the stamp if you don't order something or what?
And yes, I would stay completely cold. Just like that time when the guy at Petrol convinced me that yogurt definitely goes with burek (see my post a few pages back).
Or like in Austria when the attendant at the gas station starts rudely, without asking, to open the tank on the car, and if the cap is locked, reaches out his hand: "Schlüssel bitte, Schlüssel!", I coolly say: "Ich tanke selbst!". Then a second time a bit louder, because apparently deafness is very widespread among them, well, I didn't even need to take the third step: coolly get back in the car and drive to the next station! Because if you let him fill it, he usually fills a bit more than you want and starts offering something else...
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| bitničar16. 04. 2013 21:34:23 |
I'm obviously old school, as I finished the first SPP in 1976 as a high-schooler, the second in 1988, the third in 2011 together with two sons. For the first booklet it was mandatory to get the stamp with the hut keeper's signature and that has stuck with me. That there is no original stamp really applies to the above-listed points of the extended SPP. On the mandatory part I have never encountered such a case.
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| Becar16. 04. 2013 21:39:17 |
VanSims, it's not that he says I won't get the stamp, we won't stoop to such a primitive level or will we But still, I do care if someone there treats me like nobody. See whether to you it's all the same or you don't notice facial expressions, tone of voice, that someone waves back when you're going home etc... People are different, for example you're obviously allergic to dogs in huts, someone isn't
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