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| Becar16. 04. 2013 21:44:58 |
Bitničar, I believe it used to be served that way once when people weren't so crazy as today. If I think of Ruška hut, there were 2 young waiters running around totally crazy and one kid helping serve. Hut at ski slope, full of guests, mostly Wiener and fries, that's no mountain hut for me anymore. I'll bet my hand in the fire that none of them was a hut keeper. What then? Waiter, please sign?
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| VanSims17. 04. 2013 08:38:44 |
Well, I don't know, because I don't collect stamps. But let someone else who does tell if purchase is really a condition for the stamp or it's some habit to order something for the stamp... And what faces do hut keepers make if not? 
Otherwise, I see the expression on the face, no worries. E.g. for the above yogurt case: mix of aggressiveness, frustration and shock from which I can read: "Man, for God's sake, no yogurt with it! Ten before I managed to push it, now this one dares to resist?!? Me!"
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| Daaam17. 04. 2013 08:56:20 |
Personally no one has given me a weird look (at least I didn't feel it) when I asked for a stamp - if he happens to ask if I'll have anything else too I count that at most as a polite gesture - after all the keepers are there basically to serve.. even if crowded, it really shouldn't be a problem to step to the counter and wait a minute - probably few are in such a hurry that it'd ruin their day... Maybe in this debate we're nailing the keepers to the cross a bit too much.. I had the chance to help in one hut a few times and from experience I can say it's not so "simple" as it looks, just pouring tea and stews and opening bottles.. Of course explicitly rude/bitter keepers deserve scolding - but looking for their mistakes (which we all make) in every hut seems pointless worrying to me.... If you don't let little things irritate you you'll surely come home from the mountains much happier - which is the point of all this..
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| Becar17. 04. 2013 09:32:39 |
Different people, different experiences. Basically I wanted to say there are many reasons why there's no place for the stamp behind the counter in the drawer. One reason I haven't mentioned yet is also untimely reporting to Gaea+ and PZS about hut openings; lately Ribniška koča was problematic. I allow the possibility that keepers are slackers and simply don't report to the federation. You get there, possibly drive 100 km one way + 2 hours walking, hut closed, stamp in the hut 
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| atoamac17. 04. 2013 11:45:23 |
Oh, if you drive 100 km because of a stamp and then walk another 2 hours, hut closed, stamp in the hut.... what now?
The "stamp" is in the heart.
Since stamps no longer worry me, I enjoy the mountains 150% more.
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| Becar17. 04. 2013 11:50:55 |
And what did you just say? I'm just one of thousands collecting SPP stamps. What's wrong with that? But it's not ok that the hut is closed when it should be open right? I mean... unbelievable
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| Holcar217. 04. 2013 13:48:58 |
bitničar please point out the third article of the rules he was talking about. I don't notice any terrible peculiarities in it
and he even tells what I should be careful about
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| m17. 04. 2013 22:44:39 |
Hello!
Just experience with stamps...
Years ago I went to Lubnik and... hut was closed so stamp unavailable.
I called Planinsko društvo Škofja Loka and explained the situation, they told me to come get the stamp in Škofja Loka...
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| herman819. 04. 2013 10:08:27 |
When I did the traverse, a special stamp and hut keeper's signature was mandatory. I have the booklet from 1985 and it nicely states that inside. I don't go to mountains for stamps either, but it's a nice feeling when you've walked everything and stamped. I finished Slovenian traverse in 2005 and never claimed the booklet for that cheap honorary badge of the walked path. The booklet means more to me.
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| korl19. 04. 2013 12:33:35 |
herman8, why don't you claim it? when you send them the booklet they'll return it with the badge. that's how it is with all traverses. and why would the badge be cheap, everyone has to work hard for it, you can't just buy it in a kiosk
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| VanSims19. 04. 2013 12:49:07 |
Maybe herman8 (like many others) sees no sense in roaming the mountains just for one prestigious symbol: the badge. He probably has the booklet for his own records.
Already in everyday life they offer substitutes for reality, material and for happiness - prestige symbols namely - for which some fight and toil like mad, instead of doing everything in life at least for material benefit (money), if they can't find such a job and work that brings satisfaction, happiness and joy without incentives.
Whoever then chases such prestige symbols even in free time is really pitiful. To go to mountains just for a piece of metal he gets at the end.
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| Daaam19. 04. 2013 13:02:56 |
"Whoever then chases such prestige symbols even in free time is really pitiful"
Well.. whoever undertakes to do the whole traverse surely doesn't do it so society honors him more, but does it for himself for his own satisfaction... It's not even some very prestigious thing since any average mountaineer can do it (of course not without effort) if he just has the will to drive all over Slovenia. That collecting traverse stamps and "that piece of metal" is pitiful seems a very "harsh" condemnation to me... Everyone consciously or subconsciously "collects" something and if it's mountain stamps that's far from trivial... Should we start separating collectors and non-collectors of stamps?
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| VanSims19. 04. 2013 13:19:47 |
@Daaam: I said 'just because of that piece of metal'. Emphasis on 'just'. So there's nothing wrong with stamp collectors if they have another reason for hiking at the same time. And even if they don't... well, their thing. I'm not judging anyone, but I find it silly.
Maybe we who hike in the mountains (also) for other reasons really can't get that someone does it just to boast to others or to prove themselves to others. Such people exist. There have even been posts on this forum kind of in that sense:
"I got up early in the morning, drove about two hours, then spent a few hours to the top. But at the top (oh tragedy) THERE WAS NO STAMP. So my path was in vain, and the day thrown away."
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| Daaam19. 04. 2013 13:28:16 |
Aha.. well maybe I really misrepresented you then ..I agree, especially with the last quote about no-stamp it wins anyway (you get + for that)
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| Becar19. 04. 2013 14:33:23 |
VanSims, here I owe you a response, because I think this flies directly at my statement. If you hadn't written the last sentence, I might have overlooked it, but this way I think you're provoking.
You have to understand that there are also people who deliberately collect stamps and collect them for such or other reasons (job, family, money...) for a very long time. A completed SPP booklet means personal confirmation to most of them and not boasting in some village inn, which you're hinting at. It's similar to probably not showing your wife's picture in the village inn, but having it in your wallet because it means a lot to you personally. I haven't even noticed one of the 200-year "stamp collectors" boasting up here or elsewhere.
So maybe a bit more tolerance for those of us who collect stamps and the stamp means some icing on the cake of the trip, tour. And yes, if you don't have the opportunity to go to the mountains every weekend, you might be disappointed sometimes if there's no stamp at a certain place, even though there should be. It's not that hard to understand, is it?
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| VanSims19. 04. 2013 14:56:40 |
@Becar: it wasn't aimed personally at you in the least. And once again I emphasize the word 'just'.
I actually remember at least one post from this forum that (approximately from memory) looked like what I wrote. Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly where or which mountain anymore.
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| Becar19. 04. 2013 15:06:55 |
For me the SPP story is such that I've already hiked most of the two-thousanders that are in SPP, some even multiple times, but I never got stamps for myself, since I didn't even know that the booklet and badge exist.
Last fall though my partner and I, who is a beginner in the mountains, decided to start collecting SPP stamps too. So I'm aware that I'll go to some peaks again. Say Triglav this year too, although I've been there many times already and I'm more drawn to say Montaž, where I haven't been yet.
One of the reasons for doing SPP is precisely that it has points where you wouldn't go otherwise, and SPP leads you really almost all over Slovenia, you get to know new places etc.
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| Becar19. 04. 2013 15:11:32 |
In summary; if someone collects SPP stamps, that doesn't mean they go to the mountains just for the stamp. I don't believe there's a person who would go to the mountains just for stamps but wouldn't like the mountains. Illogical and nonsensical. If I don't like Mercator, I won't start going to Mercator because of Mercator points either, right
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| dolenjka&primorc19. 04. 2013 16:42:27 |
Collecting SPP stamps..... pleasure with utility
and safe steps with or without stamp 
Regards
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| janna19. 04. 2013 18:34:20 |
Becar, don't talk like that about Mercator, you've almost offended me  
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