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VanSims14. 05. 2013 16:34:59
I prefer to stop somewhere along the path and enjoy my own food in peace in nature, preferably with a nice view and without crowds, curious looks or even stupid remarks. After all, I'm on a trip in nature. I don't know why one must eat just in the hut (except of course if the weather is bad). Sitting on a stone, rock or stump hasn't bitten anyone's ass yet, plus there are benches along the path here and there.

Abroad, all mountain huts have the status of a restaurant or, if they have beds, a pension, lodging... The difference is only that this restaurant or pension lies at a higher altitude.

On one hand, this is bad for those who must eat just in the hut, because they won't tolerate you eating your own food in the hut practically nowhere abroad. A place is a place, at a few 100 or 2000 meters.

On the other hand, all restaurant rules and laws also apply to high mountain huts. There's nothing like here, doing something "home-style" (as if above 1000 m no laws apply anymore), bypassing rules and some nonsense. This concerns service, bills, taxes, consumer rights as well as behavior rules in private spaces of public character.

This also brings, on an informal level, a better relation to the customer, fewer misunderstandings because laws regulate everything, and greater satisfaction both for the keeper and for the customers.

So, for example, there it can't happen that someone stages a full picnic on the table; if it does, the owner of the place (after probably first friendly warning you) has the legal right to act, and only here can it happen that someone primitively threatens the guest with some gang of thugs and the like.

In the land without law, what happens happens... just like in areas of everyday life too.
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Holcar214. 05. 2013 17:14:07
Of course I didn't resist and swear, I tried to be as polite as possible, but certainly I won't let myself be trampled in various ways. If I have my own stuff, I just didn't order others.

PS: of course it was bad weather!
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Holcar214. 05. 2013 17:40:05
@julius: I'm sure that nowhere but really nowhere (except maybe at Kekec's homesteadbig grin) would I be subjected to such brutalities. After arriving home, I asked some friends about their experiences, and what they told me was similar to my story. It wasn't THAT bad indeed, but it is true that according to their words the weather was nice.
This attitude repels me, like "if you come somewhere it's proper to order something, if not you have no business there" and that shit. After all, we're (or at least we should be) in a free country. Of course this doesn't mean that everyone can do whatever they want, but such behavior as I experienced there I certainly won't tolerate. I don't go to the mountains to gorge!angry
And of course I didn't go to the hut for any picnic, I was like you when soaked and exhausted (I didn't go just to L. Gora) finally find some shelter. Now of course I wish there was some uninhabited bivouac there.
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wolphgang14. 05. 2013 17:52:21
Look, I would at least order a drink, and even then I'd feel awkward.
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VanSims14. 05. 2013 18:32:38
Of course mountain huts must also provide shelter from bad weather. But if someone just then gets hungry... oh my god. Even if you're in an urban environment, if it's raining you'll go into some bistro or inn, no one will throw you out even if you don't order anything (at least that's my experience), but to then start eating something of your own there...

The worst is, as said, because there are no rules. If it were exactly known whether you can eat your own food in the hut or not, it would be different. I don't mind, but let PZS finally clarify and write it in some regulation instead of leaving it to the good will (of that day) of the keeper.
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cebelca14. 05. 2013 18:33:59
I use huts only in winter or in bad weather, when the shelter of the hut suits, which of course someone maintains so that I can be warm. And it's clear to me that I repay that at least by ordering tea, even if I have enough drinks with me. And I always ask beforehand if I can eat my sandwich if I have it with me. Nowhere have they told me I can't.
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Ruzowski14. 05. 2013 18:52:58
So far I myself have never had problems with food from the backpack in huts. What is right now and what not, or visiting a hut to warm up and returning with a purchase of tea (rosehip, for example, which you can pick on some plateaus but they sell you Mercator's in mountain huts for about 2 euros) is a matter of the individual. But if we are talking about some morals and laws and general provisions in the mountains, I'll just say this:

http://www.pzs.si/vsebina.php?pid=17

"Visitors who at the table in the interior spaces of the mountain hut consume only their own food (from backpack) and do not order food or drink in the hut, a usage and cleaning fee of 1.00 € per person can be charged. The price of this service also includes the use of cutlery, plate and cup. Children of category P+O are exempt from paying this fee."
So, one can eat or drink too. But it's like that, in summer when you're several days in the mountains and sleep in huts, the wallet gets quite emptied. Just if you count basic food, tea, stew, some beer, overnight, it adds up. So if you eat some pâté in the hut in the morning no one will die because of that..rolling eyes

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jax14. 05. 2013 18:54:05
On one hand it's bad for those who have to eat right in the hut, because they practically nowhere abroad tolerate you eating your own food in the hut. A pub is a pub, at height a couple of 100 or 2000 meters.

Of course they will tolerate. But it's true they will probably charge extra.
E.g. CAI regulation: http://www.cai.it/uploads/media/REGOLAMENTO_GENERALE_RIFUGI_approvato_dal_CC_26.11.2011.pdf (see especially art. 14).
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julius14. 05. 2013 19:30:41
Karahawk
Once again!
On Limbarska gora THERE IS NO MOUNTAIN hut!!!
You were in the Urankar inn. PZS pious wishes and comparisons with huts abroad do not apply to inns.
Probably you sharpened your tongue quite a bit, so the otherwise friendly landlady threatened to expel you from paradise.
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wolphgang14. 05. 2013 19:39:37
quoting:
... I nicely lay out my sausages, bread on the table, add radler next to it and attack those things with pleasure, when suddenly the woman approaches me. She puts hands on hips and starts almost yelling at me that I should disappear right out if I don't intend to buy anything. OF COURSE I DIDN'T OBEY HER AND IGNORED HER, then she starts threatening me with village youths ...

wouldn't it be proper from your side to ask her first before laying out the sausages?
wasn't it impolite not to obey and ignore her?
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korl14. 05. 2013 19:46:24
Why would you ask karahawk what not, since with you on Pohorje everyone brings to the inn their own bottle of wine and sausages, the waitress comes to offer her rear so they pinch it a bit for better appetite. You blew it good, but of course you won't admit it rolling eyes
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VanSims14. 05. 2013 19:50:06
I didn't know PZS already regulated this and I apologize. Then there's no dilemma and any debate about it is superfluous.

So then keepers have no reason to complain and bother anyone or even expel them (if it's of course a PZS hut and not private hut or even restaurant). They can charge 1 EUR.

@jax: yes, or they will charge service fee. I forgot to say that. And there it's usually, I think, a bit higher than 1 EUR. I don't know exactly where in Italy I saw 3 EUR. Sometimes it's really not allowed.
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Holcar214. 05. 2013 19:59:40
with that I ignored her, I didn't mean that I verbally insulted her. that's what you always make up from nothing.
who says I didn't ask her anything? it was right at the question she started threatening me.
what I ignored was the following:
of course I didn't intend to obey her right away and when the pup had to piss out in the rain, I held out a bit longer. nice words didn't help either. and it was what it was.

anyway for me it's generally irrelevant what kind of mutt that rascal is. and I don't know @julius where you got that Mrs. Urankar is "otherwise friendly". maybe to locals who regularly leave stuff with her in various currencies.
definitely not to friendly Pohorje folks who by chance end up in those Rovte. there around Trojanje near the border they've always been a bit prickly to us Styrians.
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wolphgang14. 05. 2013 20:03:14
anyway, if what julius wrote is true that it's not a mountain hut station, you can't expect them to allow you that.
and as said before, you could at least order a radler there, not pull it out of your backpack
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Holcar214. 05. 2013 20:10:05
but if I say I don't know why I should keep ordering something. as said, I don't go to the mountains for eating. we eat at home, at least our family, if at all in a tavern only on special occasions. I don't order just something out of politeness regardless that I already have that thing in my backpack. the backpack needs to lighten up at the destination so the way down is lighter.
you go on ordering and throwing money out the window, pay e.g. on Lipanci 70 cents for a glass of warm water (it's mineral water and not real, that's not my thing), I won't.


I copy some telling comments collected on this portal: Do you have similar experiences as me?
We arrived at the top of Limbarska gora and ordered tea in the inn.
An older lady-maybe the owner brought it to us and we chatted with friends. Soon she appears at the table again asking if we'll order soup. No we won't, we're going home soon for lunch, we replied.
Then a flood of words poured that we're occupying the table, ordering too little, she has to throw away the soup, if she doesn't cook it then it's not right too,...
We were silent. We paid for the tea and left.
Primož76
10.1.2011 marjan.majda nothing new. Unfortunately. And yes, she's the owner.
milenula
10.1.2011 We had a similar experience too. When we ordered only tea, the lady commented that "schnapps" we have with us anyway. By chance we were all abstainers. Otherwise she didn't offer us anything-not even some dessert maybe, and nothing smelled like goodies. Strange tavern.
Next time we'll avoid it by the widest possible arc.
JusAvgustin
11.1.2011 f*** such a dump...
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Holcar214. 05. 2013 20:11:03
As it seems, there is something about this woman...
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wolphgang14. 05. 2013 20:18:48
ok, something's wrong with the owner, but what does that have to do with mountaineering if it's not a mountain hut? I too have something to comment about some waitress, but I don't go writing that on hribi.net
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Holcar214. 05. 2013 20:28:39
I mentioned it because this topic is for that, and I didn't expect it to develop into such a debate. Otherwise you can't just make a "comment" about this incident because it's not everyday. And the discussion about this stupidity could already end.

The tavern is indeed not a mountain hut, but it stands in the mountains, if managed by PZS or NZS.
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wolphgang14. 05. 2013 20:39:50
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Janezs14. 05. 2013 21:27:07
I'll chime in once more, it's not desirable anywhere to have your own drinks and food, let's understand—in huts or pubs—and even if you ask, then some allow it; if you saw inside them, you'd probably pack everything and leave. In the afternoon, when I was walking around the hill with Romana, Romana remembered three years ago when I paid 13 euros for a liter of Radenska at Partizanski dom. 1 deciliter was that times ten is 13 euros. Romana says leave it, but I thought to add another 2 euros, so that the lady would have the floor covered. Anyway, in huts there's always enough and well-cooked food, so it's worth eating something; prices are-------As for whom. Regards.
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