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| Lunca18. 05. 2013 12:48:57 |
TIC TEMNICA apology accepted, if such incidents don't repeat, we've all achieved something, right. After all, love for mountains unites us, everything else should be exempt here. 
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| TIC TEMNICA18. 05. 2013 13:56:34 |
Dear Primož,
so as not to get into unnecessary polemics: please, quote where I say that I find the food prices in the hut normal etc.
I responded exclusively to Mrs. Lunca's post, because it concerns the hut located in our municipality!
With respect.
Barbara Jejčič
TIC TEMNICA, Municipality of Miren-Kostanjevica
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| VanSims19. 05. 2013 08:42:42 |
Apropos Trstelj: I find it unusual that someone admits guilt in this country. Usually when I complain about something, they reply that he said it wasn't true and that's it. 
@tinky: 6.30 for tea and struklji doesn't seem much to me, but I still check beforehand so there are no surprises. As for the bill, it's good to demand it these days. Also because of such innkeepers who don't issue receipts we're in this financial situation.
@primoza:
"where the bill stays around 30 EUR, two kids+two adults, where the bill runs away to 50 EUR we don't stop anymore."
You can check prices in advance, quickly calculate and if it goes over your limit you get up and go.
Who says that if you've sat down you must order something. OK we've already discussed 'eating your own food' and also just sitting there, some innkeepers don't like it. But, you can also find out they don't have what you want to eat- my god, then you just stand up and go.
I don't know where people get this fixed idea that you have to eat something if e.g. nothing on the menu appeals to you or if you realize they sell only small beers instead of large to make more profit (some pubs in BTC). Or if you see the brought cutlery is dirty or the waiter has dirty hands or is picking his nose,...
As long as you haven't started eating the served food you have every right to stand up and leave. And even then I'd take that right in exceptional cases e.g. snail in the salad. 
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| TIC TEMNICA19. 05. 2013 09:26:46 |
Dear Mr. Primož,
again: nowhere do I write that we agree with the prices in huts, because that's not the topic of the conversation.
I understand that you are sad and bitter because the prices in huts are not as you wish. Our municipality has one hut and I deal with it, for the others in Slovenia each municipality has its own TIC or some association to direct your criticisms and smart suggestions to. Here you'll solve little.
Regarding your so-called compliments in this sentence "and a bit less staring at the local offer wouldn't hurt either.", I tell you the following: you yourself joined a debate that doesn't concern you personally, and you want to vent all your anger on an institution that commented on matters that directly concern it. You write about prices in huts on the Primorska. Primorska is big. We are the Municipality of Miren-Kostanjevica, I repeat, we have only 1 hut and, yes, we are not just staring at our offer, we are proud of it.
Come visit us sometime, before you come, I recommend you inquire what the prices are at the hut on Trstelj, so you won't feel again that you have the right to insult all Primorska people by saying we pretend to be French.
Here I conclude, exceptionally I responded because I don't tolerate intolerance, generalizations and rudeness.
Mr. Primož, in the continuation you can write whatever you want, I won't respond anymore.
With respect.
Barbara Jejčič
TIC TEMNICA, Municipality of Miren-Kostanjevica
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| VanSims19. 05. 2013 16:56:42 |
Prices are what they are. Unfortunately, you can't haggle here and it goes: 'take it or leave it'. We're in capitalism and some (supposed) market economy.
And that's exactly why I advocate for (what many here mock me for), that prices everywhere are publicly visible (price list on the wall, on tables,...), so you can immediately see how much and decide. And no surprises at payment. If there's no price list, just ask and of course demand a receipt to confirm the stated prices. That's it. If everyone acted like that, there would be no unnecessary annoyances, rip-offs,...
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| tinky19. 05. 2013 17:10:40 |
Judging by your photos, I see you're abroad a lot. Maybe you have so many bad experiences from there.
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| VanSims19. 05. 2013 21:00:46 |
As for huts abroad, the situation with receipts is roughly the same as here. In Austria and Germany issuing receipts isn't mandatory at all (of course you have the right to demand it), in Italy it should be mandatory but many places don't stick to it. Price lists in Italy are there or not, in Austria usually yes.
As for the offer, abroad it's often richer but the quality of prepared food is about the same. Even here I haven't eaten badly anywhere yet. That must be said.
Foreign huts are on average better regarding infrastructure, especially regarding night order and quiet. Night quiet is night quiet and amen. Who would think, even with Italians who can be loud in the valley late into the night and don't care about anyone. In the mountains even with them it's quiet and silence at night.
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| majer19. 05. 2013 21:36:33 |
tinky, why didn't you ask for the bill? Regarding prices in Gorenjska huts, just for comparison, two months ago I paid seven euros for roast with cabbage in the hut at Uskovnica, last week five euros in the hut below Raduha. I got the bill everywhere, beer was thirty cents more expensive at Uskovnica
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| Ruzowski19. 05. 2013 21:54:10 |
Prices are changing, just like hikers to the mountains. Unfortunately mountains are becoming some summer destination and getting this mass infestation. When you go to mountains just to conquer some peak so you can show photos on Facebook and boast that you reached some point that's it. End of mountaineering, end of that feeling why you go to nature among rocks into snow into cold into summer heat. Fuck it. And of course huts are rented to innkeepers, they offer you colorful menu of goodies. And that all brings mass tourism to our fragile mountain ecosystem. And then someone is annoyed by minestrone price, this one wants pancakes, third wants steak, and bill and chips. Times of primal enjoyment in my opinion are gone and I just hope it's some trend of weekend hikers who will redirect to some other ad hoc hobby in a while. For me winter mountaineering is still what I seek and then you hardly see summer Facebook hikers. And in huts then there are real keepers and the energy is real and that's it.
Yeah, in the end, hikers change mountains change, wishes appetites of hikers. So huts change keepers and the mountaineering association itself which mints profit in such times.
Winter will be plenty, snow will be and gods of winter shadows will still watch over us and be favorable to us (hope)
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| VanSims2. 06. 2013 18:36:42 |
Since I can't go to high mountains for two weekends in a row, today I went by bike to Golovec then to Ljubljana Castle and also to Rožnik. And just from the inn at the top of Rožnik many hut keepers and various s.p.-s who rent mountaineering homes could learn a lot.
There was quite a crowd. Approximately the same or even bigger than at Gospodična when I complained on this portal. I order barley soup and beer. Two, at most three minutes pass and... barley soup is already in front of me on the table. Since usually drinks come before food, I think they forgot the beer. No, in a minute or two the beer comes too. In the end the good impression was spoiled by the waiter already calculating before I finished eating and drinking, but OK they also want to be quick, not that you wait like crazy for the bill, although usually the bill comes when the guest finishes eating and drinking.
But it's true that this whole crowd wasn't served by just one waiter as often happens in high mountain huts and homes, but I counted at least four, maybe more. So dear keepers, s.p.-s and similar, you won't believe: IT CAN BE DONE! So you don't have to be so stingy and hire a bit more staff, and pay equal attention to all guests, not spin around local drunks and those who come up by car every weekend, random guests and hikers are third-class people who are there for you not the other way around.
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| keber12. 06. 2013 21:01:57 |
And what does an inn in the middle of the city have to do with high mountain huts now?
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| VanSims2. 06. 2013 21:20:31 |
Is the principle of a catering establishment at 300 m above sea level any different from one at e.g. 1000 m where a road also leads.
http://www.hribi.net/gora/cankarjev_vrh_roznik/5/313 - what does this description have to do with mountains? From which m above sea level onwards should something be posted here so as not to bother anyone?
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| slamca2. 06. 2013 21:25:17 |
But @VanSims, it would be interesting once to find out what doesn't bother you. One gets the feeling you're an eternal grumbler. 
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| Daaam2. 06. 2013 21:27:56 |
In our canteen I get served and billed in two minutes. Sorry Van Sims, but the comparison really isn't appropriate. In central Lj there's really no problem getting students for waitering..
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| jax2. 06. 2013 22:30:32 |
daaam
No, I think in the current economic situation it's nowhere a problem getting people for waitering. Of course the question remains how much the owner is willing to pay...
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| Daaam2. 06. 2013 23:02:13 |
Well, the whole point isn't in the number of waiters... Even just running and maintaining a hut by the road can't compare with huts of the first and second category. If it's also near urban centers, then it's completely the same business as a regular tavern. At two the meat runs out, at three the butcher delivers it with a Kangoo... dunno, is it so hard to realize that in most car-inaccessible huts they wash dishes by hand?.. and that first you need to boil hot water on the stove.. and a thousand small things like that, which in roadside taverns and huts count as obvious.. that's why such comparisons are completely stupid to me..
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| VanSims3. 06. 2013 07:48:59 |
>>In central Ljubljana there's really no problem getting students for waitering..
@Daam: yeah, students complain there's no work, but if someone would go to a hut during holidays to help and earn something - no way!
>>Even just running and maintaining a roadside hut can't compare with first- and second-category huts.
Leave the high-mountain huts. Let's compare only huts and lodges in the foothills (up to about 1500 m) where some road leads. And I wasn't talking about the serving itself, when something runs out and so on. I'm aware that more remote lodges and huts are more limited,... But as for speed, no one can tell me. That can be achieved everywhere with an appropriate number of staff and, of course, organization.
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| keber13. 06. 2013 08:51:37 |
>>> That can be achieved everywhere with proper staff number and organization.
Sure. And then for every case you have 5 students installed on Pogačnik, regardless of the weather or how? Or do they fly in by helicopter according to needs, or just run up from half of Slovenia away?
And even if it's not Pogačnik, Kofce aren't much different in that regard. If you're in a hurry to eat in the hills, then bring it with you or go only to Rožnik and Šmarna Gora. I also waited quite a bit in Italy and Austria when there were more people, even in huts that were heavily crowded due to easy access.
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| VanSims3. 06. 2013 09:28:38 |
Roughly, you can estimate the number of guests based on the season, day of the week, weather,... And with students who are not regularly employed, the number of required staff is easiest to regulate.
As for abroad, we just have different experiences: even at the most frequented mountain locations they manage to turn around very quickly. Even Italians, who are sometimes really slow in the valley. No comparison. Especially there, there's no division between regular guests and casual guests. At least I haven't noticed it. Everyone is treated equally.
If I just remember the hut under Reisseck. A mountain railway goes to it. There were crowds of people. Only two waiters were serving. Service - five to ten minutes!
In the hills, I don't hurry anyway, and I decide what to bring with me and what to eat. If it's served a bit later, no problem. Probably only you and a few people on this portal enjoy situations where you wait half an hour or more for food, while people at the next table who arrived after you are already paying, one person serves a crowd of thirty,... In short, brainwashing the guests!
Some think that keepers are unchallengeable authorities, gods above whom no objection is allowed, or maybe you are precisely those self-proclaimed mountaineers who arrive every weekend (to the same hut) by car and are served immediately, or go up just to drink.
Maybe keber1, you are also a keeper or know some, that's why you defend them so fervently.
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| Daaam3. 06. 2013 11:09:15 |
Of course every really bad keeper/team deserves scolding. But I have the feeling that up here some are only looking for bad things. No one has gotten rich from working in a hut, many do it voluntarily and then that effort has to be spat on if they sometimes don't succeed well or if something actually goes wrong..... Isn't life nicer if you don't worry about every little thing?
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