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| Becar4. 04. 2013 22:11:03 |
@Daam: regarding big shots it's still the same today, otherwise I agree. But I've heard that if there are no free beds in some huts, a little greasing and a bed is immediately found  Sometimes a beer is enough, sometimes more. I won't name the hut on purpose, but I experienced in one of the huts in TNP that someone knew someone a bit and got accommodation, the other who had no connections didn't 
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| miri4. 04. 2013 22:37:02 |
@Becar, it goes by "frisi", like in boxing.
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| BibaS5. 04. 2013 11:40:30 |
I'm one of those who had nice experiences at Okrešelj...
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| herman810. 04. 2013 08:23:53 |
The keeper at Klemenča jama was-it's been many years-Slapnik Janez-Žiki, he was really born for being a keeper, witty and friendly man, same for his wife. Dprapr, if you're interested, those two are now keepers at Planina Ravne above Nova Štift.
Some of you mention food in the huts too. I inform you that Fani Novak is cooking again at Čemšenika planina, known for her excellent food especially the koline she makes herself.
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| VanSims10. 04. 2013 08:59:09 |
@strelec1954, Becar: You don't like nice huts at all, especially not the enlightened authorities of keepers. Some little Slovenian will immediately add to you: "Look around a bit, the world doesn't revolve only around you."(see a few pages back) 
Of course that's thrown out by the one who is insecure himself and doesn't feel like making an effort to stand up for himself.
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| Becar10. 04. 2013 09:17:42 |
VanSims, I completely agree with you. What can you do, serf nation, but here and there you still find some rebel
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| CarpeDiem24710. 04. 2013 11:04:56 |
Some of you are really for laughs, if someone has a different opinion from you, suddenly we all became a serf nation and I don't know what other insults someone can come up with (obviously for the entire SLO nation), eh waste of words.
Better go out in the sun a bit, you'll be in a better mood right away.
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| Becar10. 04. 2013 12:31:13 |
I'm in a very good mood and heading out on a hike right now. I could discuss some parts of the greatest Slovenian writer and greatest Slovenian poet, where serfdom is described in detail, but I really don't feel like it anymore.
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| VanSims10. 04. 2013 13:20:30 |
I didn't mean direct "serfdom" actually. Serfdom isn't really controversial if you get some benefit from it or if you assess that the benefit will be greater than the harm for you.
We all "serf" in our lives and also assert our superiority over others because we expect some benefit from it. That's how it is and it would be pointless to try to change it, but it depends on each individual how they will use such a system for their own benefit.
What doesn't fit into my value system is "serfdom" or better said adjusting just for the sake of adjusting without a person having a certain benefit from it or even having harm from it.
The phrase just said above "the world doesn't revolve only around you" belongs to the iron repertoire of those who try to make others blindly obedient, dependent, insecure,... or subjugate them.
In the arsenal of such brainwashing belong also the following phrases:
"Don't be so selfish"
"We're all in the same boat"
"You have to learn to adapt to others"
"You have to be patient"
... and similar
Someone who sells us such phrases should immediately arouse our suspicion that he wants to subjugate us.
If we think soberly: objectively, it doesn't matter who adjusts to whom. If it's about two strangers A and B, it's completely irrelevant to anyone not involved whether A adjusts to B or vice versa.
So if we are one of those two, A or B, why not then, if possible, proceed so that others adjust to us instead of us to them. That we habituate others to us instead of having to get used to others. That the world revolves around us and not that we are part of the world that revolves around others. If possible of course. Not always. From the standpoint of a neutral observer who has neither benefit nor harm from the situation, it should be irrelevant.
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| dprapr10. 04. 2013 13:54:04 |
@herman8, some keepers were really the right ones. Žiki even drove the bus to Logarska dolina for some time, if I remember correctly. He always knew how to put people in a good mood. Not to mention Fika, who was the keeper in the old hut at Grohat!
Probably similar keepers can be found now too. I don't have insight into that because lately I hardly go to huts, let alone sleep in them. But not because they hold a grudge against me, but because I've simply changed my mountaineering style.
But that sentence "You have to be patient", I think we can't equate it with brainwashing in the mountains!
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| Becar10. 04. 2013 16:33:51 |
I'd like to refer a bit to the calls for hut keepers. Recently I read the call for Vojak hut on Nanos. But I'm interested how to achieve a positive balance in practice. It stated that the keeper (I think besides some rent) has to take care of heating, snow plowing, replacing worn elements, emptying the septic tank, of course all supplies, hot water, electricity etc. Maybe I forgot something.
Now like this. Since there's a kitchen in the hut, two people are almost necessary. Since I assume they don't work off the books, you have to pay contributions and at least minimum wage.
Is it even possible for this to be someone's job, or is it aimed only at students and retirees. For me the math doesn't add up  Am I wrong? Or am I right and that's why keepers change quickly sometimes (because everyone makes a loss)? I'm interested in your info and opinion on this.
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| VanSims10. 04. 2013 18:28:14 |
@dprapr:
Patience is already a nice virtue but only to the extent that others don't exploit it.
If we're talking about patience in the mountains:
We are patient e.g. with slower hikers, those who are just learning on via ferratas, patient with e.g. waiters in huts if we really see there's a crowd (on condition that they follow 'first come, first served') and similar.
But patience is definitely not in place for those who e.g. throw trash into nature because they don't feel like carrying it away, who loudly play music on hiking trails (not experienced only once), for keepers who allow partying and loud drunkenness in their huts at night time and similar.
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| dprapr10. 04. 2013 20:53:02 |
I agree with everything you said about tolerance in the mountains. Only the brainwashing part bothered me. Somehow it didn't fit together for me.
As for your mentioned arsenal of brainwashing, unfortunately it really happens every day. But that's not a topic for Hribi.net. Why burden ourselves with it here too.
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| herman812. 04. 2013 07:17:41 |
Dprapr, Žiki was also hut keeper on Loki pod Raduho after leaving Jama, then on Grohatu. Fika is now-if we mean the same one-on Smrekovcu. I'm from Zagorje, our home mountain is Čemšeniška planina. From early May the hut will be open every day except Monday. Come sometime, you won't regret it. From Trojan to hut 2 hours, to the top from there another 10 minutes. If you drive to Prvine you're at the hut in half an hour.lp
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| dprapr12. 04. 2013 08:21:33 |
We mean the same one - I know he's on Smrekovcu. But I've only been to Smrekovcu once in my life many years ago!
I don't know the Zasavje hills very well. We used to say such hills are for retirement - now that time is approaching quickly.
Lp
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| Lunca16. 04. 2013 12:10:53 |
My experience too... from the hut on Trstelj. I came to the keeper and wanted to buy a postcard and asked for a stamp. He gives me the postcard, charges one euro fifty. I give him one euro fifty and wait for the receipt. The keeper looks at me and says the stamp is outside. When I say I want a receipt too, he turns to the cash register, fiddles around for a while, then turns back to me and says he can't give me a receipt for the postcard because it's not in the cash register, he can only charge me a drink worth one euro fifty. When I asked him how he can sell it then, he said if I don't want it I can give it back, he got them FREE from the tourist center and that's why he can't have them in the cash register! It's not about the one euro fifty, but about the principle. Unprecedented rudeness. I thought about whether to post the incident at all, because there will immediately be at least five who will now bash me that I'm complicating, picky and I don't know what else, but I just wanted to say that people who cheat hikers like that really don't belong anywhere and maybe at least someone in that hut will be more careful...
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| VanSims16. 04. 2013 12:22:10 |
Lunca, such an incident you shouldn't post here but report directly to the Slovenian Tax Administration.
Issuing receipts is mandatory here, now they even publish lists of tax debtors, there you find even those who really can't pay (because others owe them e.g.), in valley inns rarely anyone dares not to issue a receipt, but many mountain hut keepers still think they are some exception, as if no law applies above a certain altitude anymore.
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| Lunca16. 04. 2013 12:30:43 |
yes that's true too VanSims, but it's right that hikers also know what kind of people they deal with at some huts
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| Zebdi16. 04. 2013 12:40:00 |
Yep, this is ripe for tax inspection.
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| VanSims16. 04. 2013 12:49:34 |
Lunca, no worry, I got it: it's not so much about the tax itself, but that if he doesn't issue a receipt he can charge whatever he wants. It's exactly about that one euro fifty! Because even on Kredarica it costs only one euro.
Of course it's right that you posted it, but as said it still happens often and everyone has to rebel like you did. I don't judge you.
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