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| VanSims17. 03. 2015 11:07:48 |
Of course! Old story! Someone criticizes something and then the droolers who grovel to all authorities (but of course ready to push another equal or lower into shit) Slovenians right away bash him. So the master doesn't get angry! Whoever reads Mazzini on SIOL knows what I mean.
@Žiga22: Huts in the mountains abroad have long not been 'just a shack', except really godforsaken places. And there - regardless of (alleged) 'enormous' transport costs - they clean, heat,... in short, they make an effort for the guest. Prices are maybe up to half higher than ours or even not that much.
With us every excuse is sought not to bother, whoever does and earns more is bashed and destroyed. That's why it's as it is. Not politicians, not tycoons... but Slovenians themselves. Every nation gets the government it deserves.
Come on, pile on, bash me too!
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| slavkoo17. 03. 2015 13:30:08 |
No, no VanSims, you're quite right.....
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| explorer17. 03. 2015 15:03:01 |
I sign under VanSims, the rest of little Slovenians just go to stinky WCs....
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| gorskaroza17. 03. 2015 15:29:45 |
Regarding WCs in the mountains, especially dry WCs outside the main building, if users followed instructions to close doors, close the WC lid behind them, it would be much better, but doors are left open, wind scatters paper, WC bowl lids open, lots of flies and mess around, of course the keeper is to blame, because he has no time to guard next to the WC, since he's rushing with serving and bar work. And again criticisms if he doesn't turn around fast enough.
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| SunBurned17. 03. 2015 17:16:56 |
Exactly!
Almost nobody knows how to write an opinion culturally anymore, just spitting and proving who has a bigger one and who is "ugly", and always the same ones, 90% of the forum has enough of them.
My opinion is that the tax aspect must be absolutely respected, in kitchen hygiene small discounts are possible, regarding general tidiness... hand on heart, it's sleeping for 9 euros at 2500 m... So we can expect it to be a bit better than in bivouacs.
For more earnings, huts should market double rooms more expensively, because that's already luxury.
I've obviously been lucky so far at Planika, Kamniško Sedlo, Kriški Podi, Cojzova and Staničeva. Always in high season, except really smelly WCs at Staničeva, not the best air in sleeping rooms and some slightly stale pasta dish, no complaints.
Edit: now I remembered: considerable inefficiency at Planika... nowhere else have I seen such complicated check-in, accommodation...
2.Edit: first two paragraphs are response to one unfortunately now deleted post...
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| Jelenko17. 03. 2015 18:28:36 |
I think if everyone just said their own opinion the forum would be much more readable, clearer, with a bit of personal etiquette probably more users would decide to comment or join conversations.
Also derogatory to call someone slovencelj just because the hut and its shortcomings are not first for him, but the mountain world he's entering????
Isn't that already a reflection of the commenter himself?
Surely not everything is tip-top in huts and not only at Kredarica, but comfort from the valley somehow can't be expected?
Still, the attitude of the hikers themselves is first! Probably the WC doesn't get dirty by itself, probably they don't have extra employees to guard in front of the WC when someone doesn't feel like or maybe can't for some reason pee exactly and then clean up after himself?? Regarding this there's a big problem at Kredarica especially in season.
Staničeva hut is not that far away but due to fewer visitors and the culture of hikers who are mostly there it's much nicer at least from my view.
But currently the hut itself is closed or not regularly supplied except for meteorologists. And they probably aren't to blame for the state of the hut or its visitors?
Politics I think somehow doesn't fit this forum or all comparisons what, how, who, why...
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| Trobec22. 07. 2016 12:46:15 |
At Planika the keeper unjustly charges bedding for sleeping, even if you have your own. She excuses it by saying the cash register automatically charges sheets and she can't do otherwise. PD Gorje of course says the opposite, that these are 2 separate items that must be entered separately on the bill.
In addition charges unauthorized eco tax, but on the bill it looks like charging a "higher standard" room, e.g. instead of shared bunks (10.50€), it's a 6-bed room (11.50€).
Now waiting for PD Gorje's response on how they plan to refund the overpaid 14€ and especially how they will act in the future so that this quite obvious fraud doesn't continue.
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| Daaam22. 07. 2016 12:51:46 |
Simply don't pay and that's it.. obviously they'll have to be put on TV again. Rotten bunch!!
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| Trobec22. 07. 2016 12:56:23 |
@Daaam, well, if I was paying in the morning I would do that too, even if the keeper stands on her head.
But if you pay in the evening and have 3 more people with you whom you're taking to Triglav next morning and they'd like to enjoy it above all, then you solve the matter afterwards. Of course I told her my opinion.
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| Trobec22. 07. 2016 12:59:28 |
And also, at that time 10 Slovenians and at least 50 foreigners slept in the hut. Probably scamming foreigners is much easier, since most of them are even less attentive to the price list, and probably don't know the rules at all.
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| Daaam22. 07. 2016 13:05:55 |
Mah I'll represent you. I had a similar tangle last year in one of the huts. They won't get a single euro more from me. Best to pressure PD as much as possible and at the same time PZS.. it's not necessary that anything moves, but the more we pressure the greater the chance that maybe something changes sometime.
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| gorskaroza23. 07. 2016 11:11:03 |
Trobec, accusing someone of fraud is a pretty serious accusation if you have no proof, prove it, then judge.
I hope you are without sin, when you throw stones all around like that.
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| Triglavska roža23. 07. 2016 14:02:41 |
@Trobec Regarding the price - apparently this year it's like that, PZS prices for PD are not mandatory.
Regarding bedding I can't judge, as it's clear that if you want to sleep with your own bedding you have to show it when paying - not long ago I slept at Planika myself and had no problems with that.
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| julius23. 07. 2016 16:39:07 |
Zdomec!
PZS is not the owner of a single hut. All huts are 90% owned by local PD and 10% by PZS. E.g. Kredarica is 100% owned by PD Ljubljana-Matica. The money for the extension to the current state was contributed by Slovenian companies and Slovenian mountaineers.
Yes, abroad it's different. Their associations set prices every year for all alpine huts and God forbid anyone violates those set prices. There they understand "democracy" a bit differently.
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| Becar23. 07. 2016 17:39:55 |
Judging by what was described and shown, Trobec was obviously cheated and I don't know what some of you are smart-assing and blabbering about now.
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| _sandra_23. 07. 2016 17:41:44 |
Here the prices are really unheard of for what they offer us. I explicitly don't sleep in any just for that, for that money I can almost sleep in a hotel! Foreigners usually don't notice the minus through the price, but through the offer. Not to mention food, jota, ričet etc., you can be happy if you get it warmed up, taste aside.. They should take abroad as an example, you pay a lot, eat well and sleep well, here you just pay well. That they unjustly charge for sheets has been known for a long time, you have no choice, take it or leave it. Good luck...
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| mikipi23. 07. 2016 18:28:49 |
What's wrong with you people, doesn't Trobec maybe have proof of cheating? Yeah, obviously you don't have to be a foreigner to be cheated, it's enough if you're illiterate or have a full ass of money, and you don't care what you pay at all.
Then why the PZS price list, which is binding for all PD? Why would the association bother with a price list at all if every PD can fleece hikers their own way???
Hut owners have always been PDs from way back. And yet they are bound by the PZS price list.
Simply don't pay, and let them call the Police to file a criminal complaint against them for attempted fraud. I'm curious how many will???
Sandra, I agree!
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| dragon23. 07. 2016 18:55:47 |
Here in the huts it's just like that, if you want to enforce anything you have to say it right when you step through the door. No one will ask you if you have sheets with you, or if you're a PZS member. But once they issue the bill, it's final.
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| dprapr23. 07. 2016 20:31:17 |
Sandra, I completely agree!
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