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| pikpok17. 12. 2016 12:44:18 |
exactly to those interested in jalovec, the first comment or description by @klemenstuar is right. i'm really curious how many of you have already climbed this mountain in winter conditions... as mukica rightly wrote, no one is immune to accident and precisely that was the reason hikers in this case couldn't return to the valley in safe conditions. i agree that all the rest lecturing is just f*cking around.
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| mukica17. 12. 2016 13:03:27 |
Jalovec is a demanding mountain, I've been up there alone several times in summer, only 1x in winter and I have wonderful memories and desire to make it again sometime...caution is never too much and it's right to publish everything, nice and also those unpleasant things
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| redbull17. 12. 2016 13:13:43 |
Kucler did you stuff too much hay again yesterday
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| capraibex17. 12. 2016 13:52:00 |
Reports of accidents, rescues are published by official institutions. Some just warm up media posts and meddle in others' privacy. Sick.
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| ljubitelj gora17. 12. 2016 14:01:52 |
Yeah redbull just fly over to me we'll do half in the stable in the morning then head to Jalovec But I think we'll get lost and I'll just order free heli and even pimp them to take me home to Polhograjsko hribovje, we've got 5ha hill, bald as Blegoš.
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| GregorC17. 12. 2016 14:12:16 |
Mountain lover, you missed the moment again when it would be better to stay quiet. The delete key will be used again, right?
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| redbull17. 12. 2016 14:54:41 |
You better tend to cows, not the real mountain lovers. You're a weird bird, just waiting for incidents
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| JusAvgustin17. 12. 2016 15:31:59 |
Even 100 hours later?
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| ljubitelj gora17. 12. 2016 16:47:58 |
As long as the helicopter in Slovenia is free and mountain rescuers' help is on a voluntary level, such accidents will happen. Yeah, some still live in socialism, like everything used to be free. Now the helicopter is financed from all of us taxpayers. When there is a system like the one Austria has also here and everyone claims rescue from their own ins. policy, the story will be different. Then there'll be mountain police too, of course after rescue they'll judge if costs are covered by insurance policy or the culprit covers the costs. Then no joking with negligence (getting lost, bad equipment) when you have to pay at least 4000 euros. 2500 euros is just the flying cost of the helicopter, where are the staff costs. Now you're all so smart and if it goes on like this, 4 mountain rescuers will leave this system, meaning the state will be forced to go to the Austrian system.
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| SamoK17. 12. 2016 16:59:26 |
About getting lost as negligence only a very inexperienced person or a fool can talk!
Personally I have no problem with contributing via taxes to rescue someone. He can be negligent and poorly equipped for all I care.
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| pikpok17. 12. 2016 17:26:15 |
These are personal opinions again. Personally I think some should really pay themselves when MRS rescues them, because in the end volunteers expose themselves in these actions. Personally it annoys me when I see people rushing into the mountains in winter without gear, or in summer without proper footwear. The same could be applied to valleys and discuss if it's right that 118 rescues drunk people for free (although in that case doctors are paid and don't risk their own lives). But the fact remains that these climbers were neither inexperienced nor poorly equipped. Simply one of them got injured. And that can happen to anyone.
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| SamoK17. 12. 2016 17:37:45 |
As long as cardiovascular diseases due to overeating and inactivity, liver cirrhosis due to alcohol, and cancer due to smoking are paid from taxes, rescuing hikers is negligible.
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| GregorC17. 12. 2016 18:04:36 |
What if you went to the mountains a bit more and philosophized a bit less? Accidents are unfortunately part of mountaineering, but some of us see negligence and sloppiness in every one regardless of how and why it happened. And they always start spinning the same crap about the need for charging.
I'm convinced that if we introduce paid rescue, the number of serious injuries and even fatalities will increase sharply, because many won't dare call for help due to fear of costs. They'd rather try to solve it forcefully themselves and cause an even worse situation. It's still cheaper for rescuers to bring an uninjured person down to the valley than the same person injured because they didn't call for help in time. Treatment costs in that case exceed rescue costs several times.
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| KUKI7717. 12. 2016 18:35:54 |
I think they should add a sentence and a picture or two.. for proper view of conditions.
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| slavojka17. 12. 2016 19:30:08 |
Come on, stop it already, the forum is for current conditions, not for philosophizing!
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| IgorZlodej20. 12. 2016 20:30:17 |
I haven't hiked from Tamar in such dry conditions yet. But when snow starts, right uphill looking, about 15 min. past Brkica turn-off, it's completely different. Snow hard, partly frozen, crampons grip well. Similar through couloir, just some windpack in places. Nothing flew down. From Jezerc onwards I expected good tracks, but none in hard snow, predecessors went higher. Since "grapca" didn't seem snowed enough I stuck to marked path. All way to ridge on 2-4 front crampon points. Ridge beautifully snowed, rarely so this time. Drank enough, usual stuff, no calf cramps, just great views all round. Despite constant warming sun snow didn't soften at all, if it had big trouble, rocks deep under snow stayed put, descent to Jezerca fully safe.
Shady dark couloir didn't attract much, but ascent ends reaching valley, the one started in.
Conditions actually not easy, need proper psychophysical fitness, less experienced need alpinist or guide.
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| Mark Avrelij22. 12. 2016 23:42:51 |
Bravo Igor!
Did you see any poles on the path maybe; 3 pairs?
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