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| zamet27. 09. 2009 20:38:41 |
Today I went from Tamar over Kotovo sedlo to Jalovec, back to the shelter under Špičko and Vršič from Vršič past Okno to Prisojnik, back to Vršič and past Slemenova špica over Črne vode to Tamar. Lp
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| krasovc27. 09. 2009 21:04:02 |
Hi.. Well, were you running or on a moped? I don't know, seems a bit too much to me, at least for my standards. If you calculate by your abilities it would be 4 hours (plus something) to Jalovec, 1 to shelter, 3 to Vršič, plus 4 hours up and down to Prisank. And you'd have to descend 1.5 hours to Tamar. (avoiding half hour for snack) That's around 13 hours.. Still "with compliments" 
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| robirobi27. 09. 2009 22:25:41 |
Hey Krasovc I'm not defending Zamet but when you train a bit more you'll see how much you can cover in such time (and not snack, you can eat lunch e.g. in Tičarjev dom) and nice regards. And never compare yourself to others.
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| ksena28. 09. 2009 06:42:27 |
Yesterday I was also on Jalovec and needed from Flori over Jalovška škrbina 3.15... but I didn't gasp excessively, I walked according to my fitness. Time is also a relative concept in the mountains.
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| anirene29. 09. 2009 14:30:41 |
ledo84; there are almost no protections or very few from the very top of Jalovec towards Kotovo sedlo, despite the relative steepness downward. So you have to be more careful. Otherwise it goes. The upper third of the path is mainly exposed, then it's a tourist path.
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| maiden2. 10. 2009 14:59:50 |
@ksena
just tell me what the path is like. Especially the Goličica wall. For now I've only seen the path in photos...
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| ksena2. 10. 2009 16:16:16 |
The Goličica wall is for mountaineers who are used to looking into the depths and no or rare cable gives them "psychological support", normally passable. Mostly equipped with pegs. If the wall is dry there's no problem. Where there is no protection there are enough holds, on the path itself there's very little scree (at least on Sunday it was like that), so the step is safe. If you're used to difficult and protected paths in the mountains, this wall shouldn't give you trouble. Regarding the return, my opinion is that it's better to turn onto the path towards the Hut under Špičkom, which is better protected.
Good luck both ways and have a nice tour. And a bit less fog and more sun. I wasn't that lucky.
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| maiden2. 10. 2009 19:27:06 |
well okay then, I'm not that experienced but I'm not too scared either. Last time I was on Bavški Grintavec where I experienced a lot of adrenaline, but it's true that BG is very crumbly and loose while Jalovec according to pictures and your words isn't...
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| andrejp5. 10. 2009 14:19:39 |
Fantastic day for a fantastic mountain. I could say yesterday was ideal for visiting our Alps. Jalovec somehow offered itself for Janez and me to conquer. Path from Tamar over Kotovo Saddle, short snack under the saddle and then towards the summit. On top warm and clear sky, views to shout about. We descended back towards Špiček(Trenta), which we also climbed. Then descent over scree past Ozebnik and down the wall of Goličica. Then up to the saddle where cold wind surprised us and then descent on well protected path to scree under Ozebnik. No snow in lower part, or rather doesn't hinder previous exit from wall to scree under Jalovec. Warm, sunny day...ideal.
Best andrej
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| triglavski5. 10. 2009 17:11:50 |
"we descended back towards Špiček (Trenta), which we also climbed".
This isn't quite clear to me, did you go to the hut, climb Špiček, return to Jezerca and descend over Goličica wall to Jalovska Škrbina!?
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| viharnik5. 10. 2009 19:29:16 |
Ha, triglavski described it well and accurately. Probably andrejp confused Špiček with nearby Goličica, where to the right of it the secured descent over the Goličica wall branches off and ascends to Jalovska škrbina and back to Tamar.
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| JusAvgustin5. 10. 2009 20:36:29 |
Or to Veliki Ozebnik. From there also to Tamar.
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| andrejp6. 10. 2009 13:28:11 |
Špiček was written on the rock next to the route to Trenta, when you come out of the Jalovec wall. There is a section of the path over scree, when you slightly ascend to the saddle, then descend over scree past Ozebnik. The peak immediately to the right in the direction toward Trenta is, I think, Špiček. I think that's not Goličica. I might be wrong, anyway we didn't go to Trenta but back to Tamar.
Best,
Andrej
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| Matjaz_656. 10. 2009 13:37:06 |
[url=http://foto.mg-65.com/photo.php?photo=3597&exhibition=121&ee_lang=slv&u=5858708,21]Špiček[/url] ... and shelter below it 
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| andrejp6. 10. 2009 13:38:37 |
My mistake, we were on V. Ozebnik, although I thought the peak name (Špiček) was written on the rock.
Regards Andrej
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| Tadeja746. 10. 2009 18:56:56 |
matjaž 65 excellent photos! bravo!
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| skleščk7. 10. 2009 13:41:13 |
I don't like that drawing on the rocks at all. What if everyone up there did whatever comes to mind?
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