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| grega_z_brega22. 09. 2016 21:05:22 |
Let someone carry a crate of beer up there, and we'll slowly carry it down. Temperatures are ideal
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| turbo22. 09. 2016 22:05:36 |
On the north and west summits have crosses, rarely find a summit "topless". In the western Julians and especially Carnics almost everywhere near the cross you find a Medjugorje divine image bolted to the rock. With us on top usually a box with logbook and stamp, more and more often some ugly iron rod with stamp on end. If outside I find a summit without cross it seems strange and if with us a cross on top same.
With us there should be some agreement not to build new mountain paths, maintain existing. So same for summits - marked stay marked with box on top, pathless stay pathless without anything . . . which should mean also that the climbing club Skala shouldn't put mini Aljaž towers on summits without Knafelc marks and/or those previously "empty" and Viharnik not put crosses where there weren't before.
Anyway, where I've been wandering most last years often the cross is the only company on mountain top, besides my princess of course, that I meet during the tour. And although my beliefs and views are only mine, I've felt special energy not only on mountain tops but also lower near some cross or sign by path and special feelings took me . . .
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| VanSims23. 09. 2016 06:15:10 |
@Becar: Small European countries didn't resist much. For example the sovereigns of all three Benelux countries "fled" to London. No one denied them hospitality after the war for that.
Famous is the address of the Dutch queen to her people from London. Something like: don't resist, Germans are stronger. They won't last long, we'll come liberate you, until then grit your teeth.
Resistance movement was of course also in those countries but more in terms of material sabotage actions (warehouses, bridges,...), passing data to Allies, hiding Jews,... Germans' tactic, ten civilians for one German soldier was known and how many Slovenians died in war just because of partisans' foolishness?
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| regor23. 09. 2016 09:37:32 |
VanSims: Those "converts" have pumped you up well! I have nothing against you and your views, nor against believers, as it helps them overcome the hardships of previous days and also of this time. But forcing your views on others is at least in bad taste, if not already offensive (especially in the way you do it).
Go light candles for the still living thieves of your political option, leave the dead on both sides in peace!
Thanks!
Darko
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| VanSims23. 09. 2016 18:21:41 |
By not believing everything they shoved and still shove into our heads and inquiring a bit myself, it doesn't mean I'm forcing anyone. Some obviously still can't get used to the fact that 'liberators' are no longer in power (at least not absolute) and that there is no longer one truth.
I don't care much about political options, I'm interested in the truth. I never lit a candle for anyone except yes, for the 'liberators' I had to because in school, in the former regime, they forced us to do it.
The other traitorous side (if you noticed, no quotes because it really was) you 'liberators' were equal in crimes against the Slovenian people.
In our village, older people had a lot to say about the 'liberators' that was silenced in schools. In memory of the betrayed outpost above our village, we marched up every year with candles. Well, the elders knew the other side, namely why the outpost was betrayed. The 'liberators' kept coming down to rob poor farmers in the village who barely survived the war or not even that. If you didn't want to give a cow, crops,... whatever they wanted... then against the wall and shoot! Well, then they had enough of the 'liberator' terror and one went nicely to tell the Germans exact data about their location...
But, if they didn't tell you that, it was close that the traitors wouldn't crush you. That was silenced too. The Germans who trained and armed them were extremely cautious and precisely dictated attacks, actions to them and gave them minimal armament. They were afraid, namely, that they would turn against them if they were too strong. If they had given them a bit more freedom and armed them a bit better, it would have been tougher for you 'liberators'...
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| miri23. 09. 2016 18:37:00 |
....and you wouldn't babble here because you wouldn't know Slovenian.
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| SamoK23. 09. 2016 19:04:06 |
It's interesting that your/our even the GRANDCHILDREN of those who really experienced the horrors of the war (and revolution) - on one and the other "side" still play at it. Don't you have something smarter to do?
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| VanSims23. 09. 2016 19:06:26 |
@miri: When the Germans were defeated by the Allies, they had to withdraw from all occupied and annexed territories and even lost a large part of their own territory.
Even without the 'liberators', the Germans in May 1945 (or a bit earlier) knew exactly that they had to clear out of Yugoslavia!
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| legenda23. 09. 2016 19:12:17 |
During this year's visit to Suhi vrh I noticed that a cross stands here too. Given that it's made of galvanized pipes and matching connectors, Viharnik didn't have his fingers in it. I'm sure it was someone who is a plumber.
Otherwise, I suggest we end this topic and rather discuss things that unite us mountain lovers and don't divide. Safe steps in the mountains to you.
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| Trobec23. 09. 2016 19:51:02 |
@legenda, that cross on Suhi vrh is quite "interesting" yeah. Looks like someone brought it up in a few pieces and screwed it together at the top. Could really be a plumber from leftover material
Question also if it has permission from the authorities...
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| Pi_is_exactly_323. 09. 2016 20:42:32 |
@VanSims: this ironic situation amuses me, when at the same time with such anti-Yugoslav fanaticism you don't use the SLOVENIAN genitive.  (Quoting: "Nobody denied them hospitality because of that after the war.") 
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| darinka423. 09. 2016 20:48:34 |
Viharnik is probably happy. Mountaineers are already photographing themselves at his cross.
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| Zvonček23. 09. 2016 22:18:46 |
I tell VanSims that I really pity him. But how could I help him live more easily? I'm a bit angry at myself that I don't skip his comments. Erected crosses on peaks don't bother me at all, although I'd rather see only a summit register waiting for me at the top.
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| ljubitelj gora23. 09. 2016 22:23:23 |
Nature will take care that this doesn't belong up there.
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| herman824. 09. 2016 05:26:44 |
You can't believe that someone can spout such nonsense. The enemy invades Slovenia, rapes, shoots hostages, burns homes, transports Slovenes to concentration camps. And our grandfathers should have watched this peacefully. That's how Sims thinks. Dear lost Sims, of course you have to resist and shoot the enemies as soon as they poke their head over the border. That's what all free-thinking European nations and allies did.
Sims, don't stop writing such and similar nonsense and keep providing salvos of laughter on these pages.
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| Sujcic24. 09. 2016 13:50:55 |
turbo said it all. I agree 100% with him
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| Pankrt24. 09. 2016 15:21:50 |
Hehe little sim, Janša's young fan..
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| Becar24. 09. 2016 15:39:09 |
If they occupied us today, people would rather hunt pokemons than resist. Or collaborate a bit and falsify history!
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| lino24. 09. 2016 15:54:28 |
Viharnik, some don't know how to appreciate your effort and dedication to bring this wonderful cross and place it on top of Kalški greben.
"I also energetically blessed the cross regarding vibrations for this space." Thanks to the energetic blessing, there's probably now a lot of positive energy and good feeling on top of Kalški greben. But I haven't often seen the word thanks in these posts. Thanks!
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| Pankrt24. 09. 2016 16:56:09 |
Which patients did you two see (viharnik and doggy lino)...
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