To the mountains with a dog?!
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| Guest15. 08. 2007 21:20:02 |
Everyone pretends, only this one got a bit hooked. Just bragging, not friendship to the dog. We won't respond, but we are threatened, we step in shit, you disturb our peace. You annoy us with your dog. You are all really the same, arrogant, cocky, egoistic, aggressive.. How can the dog be different, if it has such an owner. It's really not worth bothering with you, we'll keep stepping aside on narrow paths in the mountains, trembling in front of dogs, watching how they struggle. You dog owners feel strong, untouchable since you have aggressive dogs. Jana
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| Guest15. 08. 2007 21:28:03 |
WOOF WOOF, what all I would say if I could speak, Floki
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 07:37:27 |
On narrow paths we don't step aside only for dogs, but for everyone, Jana. If you don't have a dog, it's a bit hard to know such a relationship, so it's not quite fair to attack here. Look, dog owners must be considerate and do what's necessary, and if they do that, the others have no right to complain or get upset yourselves if dogs aren't too close to your heart. Owners must respect the rules. But it's true that we all know the problem isn't only with dog owners - there are many things people do wrong in the mountains and so I think if a debate about people's mistakes is really needed, we should address other things more seriously. Humans are polluters, what a dog "pollutes" is just pooping. And even that in the mountains we notice human excrement + toilet paper next to it (dog doesn't need it), so I think the debate about dog poop in mountains is a bit off here. To all who wrote something cultured here and thought reasonably, I agree, with aggression you don't get far. We are all part of nature - animals, thus also dogs, as well as humans. And ALL of us must stick to that. Just like in the mountains I meet diligent and spoiled screaming children, considerate and grumpy hikers, those who clean up after themselves and those who don't, so I also meet dog owners, but so far I haven't had a bad experience and have no complaints, rather I'd complain about some inconsiderate guy yelling after his friends. I believe some of you have bad experiences and I'm sorry for that. But you must realize that mountains are a space accessible to everyone and no one has the right to forbid it to someone if they do nothing wrong (which in our case means having a dog with them). Look, there's always something that's "wrong". Even on the road, when many many many talk on mobile phones in vehicles and that's even more dangerous than if a dog owner commits an offense and lets the dog swim in Lake Bohinj. And I'm not saying that's an excuse! ...
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 07:42:36 |
... Nature demands its toll and dog in mountains isn't the main problem. Much more needs to be done. TNP is for me the most beautiful part of Slovenia, but around us there's much more nature. Dog poop is organic (unpleasant on public surfaces, I agree), but only when each of us admits that they recycle regularly, don't waste electricity unnecessarily etc. and is really eco above ecos, then can dog little shit be a problem among cow shits in highlands. And I accuse no one here, no misunderstanding, just pity that you let such things disturb you in mountains. Once again I emphasize I believe bad experiences exist, but let's all admit: bad ones are still fewer than good ones. Right? If not, you really have bad luck. Nice day to all and lots of enjoyment in mountains.
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 07:43:05 |
(previous two comments belong together) 
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 07:47:23 |
The problem is only that dog owners are not CONSIDERATE and don't respect LAWS and don't follow RULES.
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 08:17:19 |
I understand. But picking one single flower is against RULES, yelling is not CONSIDERATE ... And that's not done only by dog owners (if they do it). So it's not right to single them out as the main problem (when/if they are). That's all.
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 08:18:22 |
I don't understand at all how you can speak SO GENERALLY ABOUT ALL DOG OWNERS. Then I'll also say that the problem is that people in mountains DON'T RESPECT NATURE, which shows in trash they leave behind. I mean, hello! Let everyone calm down a bit and clear their own head before criticizing everything indiscriminately.
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 08:53:49 |
my opinion, that those who don't like animals, don't like people. we had a rottie (2 days ago his heart failed), we have a 3 year old girl, they were always together. the dog was in the house, she did whatever she wanted with him even rode him.. my experiences are bad only with people. no dog owner shows off and boasts with him, if he's at least a bit normal. i don't know why a dog shouldn't go to the mountains???? what the hell are you doing in the mountains those who don't like dogs? go to btc there surely you won't meet any dog.. i also say this.. once on a walk someone yelled at me when i was picking up the poop.. this is my plot yeah i bought it, go away with that cow elsewhere... we were on a public path.. no point commenting further. those who don't like animals shouldn't go to the mountains.
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 11:33:40 |
Yesterday I was at a well-visited mid-mountain destination. Many hikers had dogs with them - from Alaskan Malamute, through numerous golden retrievers, some spaniels, poodles and some breeds unknown to me or successful mixes. All dogs were a really pleasant addition around there when we sat for a snack and they played around us. Of course none was aggressive, overly intrusive or similar, and also none of the hikers who were there without dogs looked scared or horrified (and there were really many of us). I also note that I saw many dog owners, when they arrived at the summit, take water bottles and bowls for the dog from their backpack and give him to drink before they did it themselves!
I think that in all this debate we should still distinguish between dog owners who have their animals well-trained, from those who show off with a "sharp" dog in the sense of "what can you do to me, huh?". And of course those who drag their unleashed dogs on narrow, rocky, exposed mountain paths (especially in high mountains), thus endangering people's safety, and those who go with their dog on pleasant walks in mid-mountains, on soft, wide forest or grassy paths where they don't bother or endanger anyone.
And one more thing I'm thinking about in all this debate - surely even "dog opponents" probably don't fear small social dogs like poodle or similar, and all this debate actually revolves around large, potentially dangerous dogs?
But I have to say that yesterday I found a very successful "invention" of one dog owner who had her quite large dog tied in such a way that she could also freely use hiking poles in both hands. She had a special belt fastened around her waist, on which a leash for the dog was attached, who walked in front of her on a path about two meters wide, and thus could even help her a bit in ascending. She told me that the dog is actually very peaceful (I know the breed, they really are not aggressive), but since it's quite large and some people are afraid of large dogs anyway, she attaches him like that on hikes in the mountains.
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| dora16. 08. 2007 12:23:16 |
I'll just write this, because anyway I won't convince you and you won't convince me of anything.
Someone wrote: I think that in all this debate we should still distinguish between dog owners who have their animals well-trained, from those who show off with a "sharp" dog in the sense of "what can you do to me, huh?".
Somehow I conclude that this is aimed at me, I don't show off with my dog at all and you can't just conclude from my posts that I have a dangerous dog. I have a dog that belongs to family and very friendly dogs (FCI 8) and on top of that it's trained.
Have a nice day everyone
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 12:38:05 |
I agree with the previous comment, although on this forum I would be labeled as "dogphobe" or someone who doesn't like dogs. Although that's not true and I myself had two in the past. What bothers me?
I have an acquaintance who has such a snappy dog that it bites even family members. It also knocked my wife to the ground once. Luckily it had a muzzle then. Here the rule applies: like master like dog. I think such dogs and such behavior bother every normal person.
Even past our house walkers lead dogs. Some unleashed, some leashed. They don't bother me either. But someone bothered me again (luckily the only one so far), who had a free "killer" dog without leash and without muzzle running freely even 20m in front of the owner. Since there are many children in our street, I first moved the children away, then warned the owner to put a muzzle on the dog. I got a cheeky response that from then on he would walk that street multiple times a day, and that I'll see, otherwise he'll unleash the dog on me. Hello?
And about the need that the dog does outdoors. I myself haven't done that yet, but I believe someone has to do it too, especially if it overeats. So far I've never stepped on human poop because they are hidden behind a rock or bush, but on dog poop I have. And that bothered me. A human somehow hides his deed out of shame, the dog just waits - usually in the middle of the forest path and does it. And if the owner leaves the poop right in the middle of the path, that's not nice and bothers all following hikers. Why? Because the relaxed walking is gone, as you have to constantly look ahead so there's no more poop you could step on.
I hope dog people get the point. We're not against dogs (at least most), what bothers us are potentially dangerous and snappy dogs (read large) that are not under control. And of course - I don't like walking on poops, no matter whose, and I don't want to swim where a dog bathed before. The latter problem I can solve myself and don't bother anyone with my prejudices. But when the dog comes out of the water, stands next to me and shakes off thoroughly, that bothers me a lot too.
Robi
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 12:40:02 |
What does "dotajčili" mean?
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 13:15:18 |
DOTAJČILI MEANS TO CONVINCE!
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 13:29:53 |
I think we can always discuss bad experiences etc. Everyone has them but not only with dogs (although a dog that doesn't behave properly, a problem made or not prevented by the owner), we can have bad experiences with horses, cows, snakes too ... Yes, true, those are not dependent on the owner, but I think we shouldn't generalize everything to all. Next time you see someone who didn't pick up or remove dog poop or bothers you in some other way, go to the owner and tell him. If he reacts rudely, then you have full right to be angry, offended and shocked, but no one ever has the right to lash out with words at everyone because of a bad experience. I have a little bitch, I don't take her to high mountains, she's too small, but some words on this side offended me and that's why I occasionally come back and check what's new and when I see a comment like Robi's, I see that there are still reasonable people in the world.
Best regards
Zala
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 13:43:32 |
Of course there are reasonable people in the world, that's why we look at it that way and tolerate your behavior. You would like to take care that your dogs don't bother or hinder other people. I think dog owners really differ, but unfortunately there are few who obey the law, respect rules and are considerate to fellow humans. Just look how many dogs are unleashed, owner does nothing. I join Robi's opinion. I think owners are also too impatient. And with that you really anger many. P.s. I think Dora really shows off with her trained and best dog. I know quite a few mixes that didn't go to school but have good, cultured owners. They are really cute. It's true, there is one like that who behaves and does 'what can you do to me'. Sad.
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 14:14:09 |
Yesterday I was at Stol (crowded, crowded), met many dogs and not a single one was on a leash, all were jumping around freely. But they were all friendly, actually they didn't pay attention to people at all. Because I had followed this forum thread before, I especially watched if there would be any dog "poop", but I didn't notice even one. There were only human (with toilet paper) and sheep ones. Best, Taš
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 14:33:05 |
Comment on reasonable people and joining Robi ... Sir/Madam who took offense at my comment; sometimes you address all of us, sometimes owners in general. Once again I'd like to say that I don't want anyone throwing at me that they tolerate "my behavior", because actually I do nothing wrong. You don't know me, so I think there's no need to generalize everything again. And this doesn't apply only to you. If you had a bad experience, I understand you, but I myself have no bad conscience because I always act according to rules, in 9 years since I have a dog, no one has complained about me because I do nothing wrong. So I'd just like you to watch who you address here. I am reasonable too and I'm a dog owner. And Robi also wrote that he had two dogs, but like me, thinks that not everyone makes mistakes, at the same time I think everyone has the right to correct a mistake.
Yes, Taš, I've also noticed human poops with toilet paper ... That's how it is. And no ... They weren't exactly discreetly behind a rock, you could even smell them. When there's a need, there's a need. And so there's no misunderstanding - I clean up after my dog. Some don't, but that doesn't mean that I AM a bad owner. LP
Z.
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 14:39:48 |
Aha ... Now I see I wrote the last sentence a bit wrong. For me no one is wretched, so that nothing goes wrong. Just here I have the feeling that some think that way about dog owners (and about all of them). I wanted to say that if someone doesn't pick up the poop, I'm not to blame for that. And also ... Ah, those poops. They are annoying, I've stepped on one too ... But that's why I don't criticize indiscriminately. LP Z.
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| Guest16. 08. 2007 14:42:28 |
For all those who have no clue about dogs, there are quite a few here, read the article on pets in Nika magazine (free newspaper supplement). Maybe it'll help you some.
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