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| begunsca17. 06. 2012 23:07:40 |
Yes, I've been to Triglav. Only 1x and exactly on the route you mention. But I also ran into that "little chain" before the summit and honestly because of that it really never pulled me back.
This time leaning a bit more to departure from Bohinj or Mojstrana side ...
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| Irina17. 06. 2012 23:09:33 |
@begunsca
Too little said for good advice. First I'd stop by you and ask what kind of mountaineer you are? Fitness, hiked paths .... etc. And of course same for him. How well do you know your guest to take him to summit you haven't/have conquered yourself? Are you used to personal protections and wall protections, airy exposed paths .... all very important. And insured against accidents?
If I had guest from abroad with same wish, I'd go on tour with licensed mountain guide. And no way with amateur no matter experience. Invitation to tour is responsibility too.
Slovenians don't choose guides somehow cuz think we can do all ourselves. Maybe true but embark on adventure not always ending as planned.
Mountain guide lets you devote especially to guest, enjoy tour unburdened and return safe to valley.
And if decide here two addresses:
http://www.volontar.net/about.php
http://mitja.alpinizem.net/?page_id=18
Whatever you decide safe steps and many mountaineering experiences.
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| redbull18. 06. 2012 07:42:05 |
Irina, a bit of exaggeration. You'd need a guide everywhere then. Most mountains here are harder than Triglav. Triglav is not a hard route.
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| grga18. 06. 2012 11:37:45 |
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| lanževica18. 06. 2012 11:49:54 |
how come he's not on the list, of course he is!
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| Zebdi18. 06. 2012 12:23:44 |
grga, indeed he's not on the list of MOUNTAIN guides, but you can find him on the PZS guides list, where it's nicely written that he has license for categories A,B,C,D,E,G and H. I assume you know what those designations mean 
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| grga18. 06. 2012 12:25:14 |
Where is it? So there is no mistake. Volontar doesn't even have it written on his own website that he is a mountain guide. Sloppiness happens on our forums, where one is smarter than the other. The loudest lead and thus do considerable damage to the reputation of mountaineering web content.
@zebdi, I know what the designations of Hiking guides mean and also what the difference is between Hiking and Mountain guide. And precisely the latter is obviously a puzzle to many.
Hiking guides are also qualified for leading, nevertheless they don't have the mountain guide license, which is so gladly mentioned here.
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| Zebdi18. 06. 2012 12:29:26 |
Look under serial number 1291
EDIT: For Triglav a PZS guide is enough, no need for IFMGA license. But I agree that these two terms are still too much mixed up
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| grga18. 06. 2012 12:34:11 |
@zebdi, you read Irina's advice, the sentence "If I myself had a guest from abroad with the same wish, I would set off on the tour with a mountain guide who has a license." 
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| Zebdi18. 06. 2012 12:43:23 |
@grga: here I agree though, pure sloppiness
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| bequiri18. 06. 2012 13:38:49 |
Has anyone been up through Plemenice recently, is there still any snow?
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| velesa18. 06. 2012 16:43:31 |
bequiri, if you had looked a page back, you would see that Igor Zlodej on 13.6. (that's still "recently"  ) posted photos and description of conditions.
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| bequiri18. 06. 2012 17:25:39 |
Well given that everything is nicely melting at these temps, wonder if anyone went up this weekend and shares the latest update 
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| Irina18. 06. 2012 18:35:01 |
I apologize for causing a verbal duel with my superficiality.
Perhaps one of the angry mountaineers could briefly present the difference between hiking guide and mountain guide. It would be much wiser and welcome for many a female/male mountaineer?
Truth be told, I got both titles when last year I was looking for a guide for ascent via Hanzova. Despite having passed the exam for hiking guide A many years ago and done alpine training, diligently climbed, the years of break and years just did their thing. Why would I "torment" myself when I wanted to just enjoy on the tour.
Therefore I wasn't attentive that Volontar is "only" a hiking guide. But I wasn't mistaken when I wrote that for a friend from abroad I'd seek a mountain guide with license. And then I'd be more precise reading the data. Candidly, I'd turn to one of my friends from GRS.
Yes, guys I believe you are experienced mountaineers who gained knowledge from forums and books (as someone presents himself), but believe me, in half century of hiking and climbing in mountains (domestic and foreign) I've seen and experienced plenty. And why carry crampons, prusiks, rope .... etc on a tour I know what awaits, if I can leave it all to the guide and just enjoy.
And in the spirit of true mountaineers male and female, let's be conciliatory not insulting, kindly point out the error. Probably everyone errs now and then.
I wish you rich mountaineering summer, with lots of unforgettable tours and safe step.
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| garmin19. 06. 2012 11:37:52 |
Yes, Irina, given that he's already been to Triglav and that, hand on heart, isn't exactly an alpinistic feat, it's not hard to conclude that he doesn't need a guide, but at most he's interested in which route isn't too difficult.
And also, according to what's written above, you're not hiring alpine guides, but porters. Most mortals who wander in Slovenian mountains don't need porters.
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| sla19. 06. 2012 12:35:20 |
garmin, you're wrong in the second paragraph.
You hire a GV (that's not a porter) and pay for his guiding service - he takes care of everything (from equipment, to organization, checks conditions and clients' abilities etc.). PVs usually accompany larger groups of hikers (e.g. trips organized by mountaineering clubs, schools,...).
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| 5Xum19. 06. 2012 14:46:17 |
What if we left this forum, which is called "current conditions", to those who have something to say about the so-called current conditions, while moving debates about alpine guides to private messages or a topic specifically designated for that? In other topics it doesn't bother me at all, even if you debate current geopolitical conditions on Saturn's rings and their impact on Venus volcanology, but leave the current conditions... to the current conditions.
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| redbull19. 06. 2012 23:00:30 |
the path over Plemenice interests me,,if it would be hikeable, or is it still too early,,if someone has been, let them write--on Saturday I plan -Triglav or Škrlatica
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