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| ljubitelj gora16. 09. 2013 16:20:38 |
What some of you are dealing with , a bit more with yourselves and much less with others
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| Keko16. 09. 2013 17:55:22 |
@urarrr, I really don't know where in my comment you saw that I disagree with your warning about the inappropriately shod hiker for Triglav. My comment, if you read it carefully, was about a completely different matter.
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| strelec195416. 09. 2013 17:57:59 |
Triglav is used to all kinds of bad  irresponsible records, I don't know what sense and meaning they have what all they've dragged up there and how many such in sandals have been up there already and I believe there won't be a lack in the future either.With such mass visits there are actually "few accidents" with a bit more respect for the mountains there could be even fewer.
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| toplar16. 09. 2013 18:11:37 |
The face can of course be blurred, the photo would be instructive.
But since some don't even look at photos, their neck already hurts, it's not to be expected.
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| cebelca16. 09. 2013 20:09:11 |
@ Urarrr: "But that day there were over 50% Czechs or Slovaks up there... Unfortunately quite a few in similar footwear..."
But only she got on your nerves so much that you photographed her from front and back and nailed her to the cross on the forum. But the other "quite a few" in bad footwear didn't endanger anyone?
If your intention was to show what inappropriate footwear for Triglav is, there's absolutely no need to post her face too. But if you already see yourself as judge of irresponsible hikers then be fair and photograph and post all.
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| gorolazka16. 09. 2013 20:32:02 |
Due to personal experiences with inappropriate footwear I agree with urarrr that he posted the photos.
A few years ago I took family to Triglav.
We were returning from Dolič to Zadnjica. There was only a short snowy section that ended about 20 m lower with rocks. There was only about 5 m of snow on the path, which could be completely avoided. Brother-athlete from head to toe was first - in sneakers, behind him nephew-hiking boots - niece- brother's daughter - sneakers and me - hiking boots. I yelled to all relatives behind me not to go over the snow. The niece slipped because of the sneakers. I don't know by what chance she caught herself and climbed back to the path. Even though I was walking right behind her on a completely safe path with poles in hands I couldn't help her. She would have ended 20 m lower in the rocks. How injured? Good that I don't have to know. A week ago I went with my sister just to Nanos. She had sandals on, like the lady in the photo. And then sister wonders why I don't invite her to + tours anymore? Are you crazy to take such risks? I don't even want to go to the mountains anymore with closest irresponsible relatives...when you once experience how a 10-year-old niece slips due to inappropriate footwear...I've read too many books, crossed too many mountains to calmly watch people in sneakers, flip-flops....and stay silent about it.
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| robinjo16. 09. 2013 20:55:56 |
Probably the previously described equipped "hillwalkers", whether Czechs or Slovenes don't go to disco or to DJ Umek in gojzari. Everyone knows what is appropriate, if not mandatory gear for the mountains. The picture of the inappropriately equipped girl is much milder than the one that could potentially be next to the urn with a wreath. When planning a tour or among rocks a proper warning is in place. Maybe the hillwalker girl needs to be pointed out her "shortcoming" in a cultural way. Don't count on a policeman fighting with shifts and inhuman work schedule for the 26th pay grade. We're lucky that GRS members are well equipped and go to the walls for the fools, if some Čufar stays under the snow because of the aforementioned. We moralize a bit too much and do too little. SLOVENIA TO THE FINALS!!!
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| urarrr16. 09. 2013 21:07:56 |
@cebelica
yeah really there were many in sneakers....but
read my first line of the first post.....
There's always only one winner...
Whether you or someone else goes up naked, barefoot, in sneakers, without helmet ... it doesn't bother me at all. When the terrain is dry. Or I neither have the desire nor the right to post or comment on such things..It's entirely your free will or decision..
But when your will starts affecting others or endangering others THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE.
Because walking to Triglav in sandals in SNOW directly endangers people below her..
With all respect Cebelica
I hope you agree...
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| 5Xum16. 09. 2013 21:38:31 |
I deeply agree with the comments that sandals on Triglav don't belong, even more, that they deserve all condemnation.
BUT.
NO ONE, but really NO ONE, has the right to infringe on anyone's right to privacy, no matter how they behave.
Therefore shame on the person who went to Triglav in sandals, but shame also on the one who medieval-style puts her on a public pillory.
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| gorolazka16. 09. 2013 21:50:44 |
5Xum - right to privacy when you're endangering someone else's life or several others? Come on, if someone deprived you of the basic right - right to life, would you still put the right to privacy first? Besides, neither face, name, nor nationality is revealed (now I understand why in this rule of law they can't find out after a year who damaged my car, people have the right to privacy after all  ) And I'm less and less surprised why there are so many suicides here, because everyone only cares for themselves. What and how others behave - that's already right to privacy. Even though besides killing themselves, they kill or injure a few others... Ego Slovenia, I love you! Triglav up or down....
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| 5Xum16. 09. 2013 22:08:41 |
When someone damages your car, they are guilty, and the police must prosecute them through official procedure. Not that you gather five more people who agree and take justice into your own hands.
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| gorolazka16. 09. 2013 22:15:20 |
5Xum and if they don't find out who is guilty? Like they can't find out who slipped first and pulled everyone else? Can I lynch my own brother who went to Triglav in sneakers but I can't lynch strangers who do the same and endanger my life too? Is really everything allowed to everyone?
Because we have right to privacy? As long as it doesn't endanger exactly you or me? Yeah a rock has already flown past me on Triglav because of arrogant Italians. Would they sue me if I knew their name and posted it or just a photo? The easiest and simplest is to look at the page.
My privacy - as soon as I type on the net, it's gone.
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| jedriličar16. 09. 2013 22:17:57 |
@Skovik: wrong, they pounced on the person who dared to post a picture of a person in footwear inappropriate for the weather conditions on one summit ... in my opinion, if after this matter even one person asks themselves if they go up in appropriate footwear and gear, this matter makes sense
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| Skovik16. 09. 2013 22:26:45 |
@jedriličar: I agree. IF such a person were found.
Personally, I often literally convince people in person why such mandatory basic hiking gear is necessary. And many can't be told e.g. why light, fashionable, nice, airy, cheap sandals/shoes CANNOT replace expensive, big, heavy, hot, ugly hiking boots. Already in person it doesn't work, let alone over the forum...
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| Irina16. 09. 2013 23:25:21 |
With a private message, he contacted me, I assume it's him, the owner of the dog.
He scolded me that the dog didn't walk on pitons and cables, because I don't walk on them either, but hold onto them. It holds, I can't imagine how the dog held onto them?? He didn't mention how he dealt with the staples.
He presented the dog as a trained avalanche dog from Italy. A real veteran, who has accumulated so many altitude meters that I won't in my whole life. And I have no idea in what extreme conditions such dogs are trained. Unfortunately he didn't mention the dog's name, those are also in the register.
And I'll add that in all these years I've been going to the mountains, I haven't seen a rescuer with an avalanche dog doing exercises on Triglav. But I've met them elsewhere, rescuers and dogs. And the dogs always had a collar, the prestigious one that says the dog isn't a "regular" dog.
Safe steps to both and as little work on the ground as possible, season is at the door.
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| korl17. 09. 2013 06:55:28 |
The dog was trained in such extreme conditions that no mountaineer reaches even the top of his paw pads.
Irina, you can google what kind of training he has behind him - his name is Lajka
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| Loni17. 09. 2013 07:07:49 |
Off topic, as far as Triglav is concerned, but our avalanche dog never had a collar around his neck. For us it's more like showing off, then everyone asks how, what, when, why. The dog also has a right to private life..
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| dprapr17. 09. 2013 07:13:54 |
@Loni, your last sentence says it all!
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| 5Xum17. 09. 2013 07:56:30 |
Can I lynch my own brother who went to Triglav in sneakers but can't lynch strangers who do the same and endanger my life too?
I conclude you didn't mean that seriously.
As for privacy, think:
what if besides that woman who went to Triglav completely inappropriately shod, on the same day another very similar woman headed to the same mountain? And suppose her boss is a regular on hribi.net, and now sees the picture of his "employee", walking shamefully attired on Triglav. What if someone completely unrelated to your unlawful lynching loses job or has other life problems because of this? His problem, what if he's similar to the one we're lynching?
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