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| drago4022. 11. 2009 12:00:43 |
correcting www:rias.si/martin/prispevkiprijateljev
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| MarkoK22. 11. 2009 13:03:50 |
Hello.
Well, I am the other one who turned back on Little Triglav, because it seemed too dangerous to me, especially because of the descent. All congratulations to Drago, he really is a tough guy. I then climbed to Slovenski vrh and then up another gully to the hut at Kredarica. Also an excellent variant. All praise to the meteorologists too, they cook excellently.
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| mimohar22. 11. 2009 18:37:22 |
On 21.11. Andrej, Janez and Miha climbed the highest Roof of Slovenia. We approached Kredarica from Vrata via Prag and then to the summit. There was quite a lot of snow, also ice in places, so we had to step carefully, but the experience was wonderful. The weather was just like that, calm with sunshine. We descended to Krma, as night started chasing us.
From the mountains the view on life is nicer 
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| šodrovec22. 11. 2009 19:18:06 |
Markok: "Sam sem se potem povzpel na Slovenski vrh in še po eni grapi do koče na Kredarici." Please, explain to me where this peak is located, also by name the most Slovenian - Slovenski vrh? 
Thanks and best regards!
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| drago4022. 11. 2009 20:39:15 |
Šodrovec- probably Marko was on Glava-2426m, because I doubt he would descend to Slovenski turnc-2267m - check the Triglav 1:25000 map.
Otherwise probably Marko will correct his mistake himself.
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In winter the mountains are the most beautiful
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| andrejp23. 11. 2009 08:02:58 |
Miha,
did you upload all pics? I think you have some more. Let's repeat this end of next month.
cheers
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| MarkoK23. 11. 2009 08:21:14 |
Yes, regarding Slovenski vrh it's like that, they told me so in the hut (I didn't check the map myself), but I think Drago is right, so I was on Glava. Thanks for the info.
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| ugn26. 04. 2010 15:35:19 |
Let's revive this thread: today on Triglav - conditions for the path to the summit excellent, lots of snow, path nicely trodden. Descent from Kredarica also good, the condition for both is to go early enough.
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| Bojan_A26. 04. 2010 17:37:58 |
I was also on Triglav today. Really super. Did we meet?
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| lukapet26. 04. 2010 18:29:21 |
I'm interested in conditions from Krma to Kredarica, does it sink a lot, I'd go on foot, if too much go lower instead. So worth going on foot to Kredarica on Wednesday, without snowshoes.
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| ben26. 04. 2010 19:07:10 |
Today path nicely trodden, no sinking, in short also for walkers ok.
LP B
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| dj1226. 04. 2010 21:07:58 |
Up to where in Krma can one drive with car and what time in the morning does one need to be there to be early enough? LP D
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| heinz26. 04. 2010 23:40:50 |
Bojan, congrats!
Troubles with descent probably didn't lack..?
Regards, your comment to the effect that you (though runner) took more time for descent, or had mother of wisdom with you.
Nice pics!
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| Bojan_A27. 04. 2010 11:23:27 |
Thanks.
During descent I really didn't have the best feeling, because it was really awkward at some places (e.g. too little snow). So no other way than slowly and carefully.
I'm only running. Still, he walked very well. Most pics taken while waiting for him.
LP, Bojan
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| zdomec2. 05. 2010 11:44:57 |
Hello
Again tragedy on Mali Triglav. Hiker slipped over the wall of Mali Triglav exactly on that side which has been discussed many times among hikers. When we come from Kredarica to the ridge of Mali Triglav and the pitons and cut steps start, there is no chain for attaching self-belay. Many hikers think that part should be OBLIGATORILY secured with cables so hikers can clip on. Slope is steep, even in summer when crowded and busy this section is UNSAFE for slip! On the ridge between Mali and Veliki Triglav there are cables even where not needed. But on that wall none. Just for the PD maintaining this route to think.
Other problem is visiting Triglav itself. Just because someone blurted that every conscious Slovenian must go to Triglav at least once, we have this sad circus. People go to Triglav who have nothing to do with mountaineering. Never hiked mountains and probably never will again. No fitness, no experience, mostly no proper gear, but must go to Triglav. Then rescue service has a hundred problems in summer season. This problem criticized many times by rescuers. Unfortunately probably nothing can be done. These people (not calling them HIKERS because they aren't) underestimate things not belonging to mountaineering ethics. When you come in summer season to Triglavski dom at Kredarica, you'll experience circus not belonging to mountains. Drinking after 22h, shouting, boozing and similar.
No hard feelings, this my thinking on problem is well-meant, discussed it many times with friends. Wish every hiker to feel good and enjoy mountains. But what they did around Triglav is very sad.
To all hikers and mountain friends wish happy and pleasant start of mountaineering season.
Best regards Zdomec
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| heinz2. 05. 2010 14:52:16 |
Although I don't know circumstances of yesterday's tragedy and at the same time express sincere condolences to the family of the deceased, I fully agree with the content itself, even if not directly related to the unfortunate hiker who could, by the way, also be experienced mountaineer.
It's wrong that a demanding mountain is so downgraded just because of great popularity and related frequency, or deprived of necessary healthy fear-respect. To this add only fact that in mountains there are many similar path sections poorly or not secured at all, but hikers and visitors take them with more-appropriate seriousness.
Also term "winter Triglav" not long ago was something only handful of very experienced mountaineers could afford by unwritten rule, or it was feat requiring mountain guide who knows all rules of moving in such conditions. Meanwhile it seems to me that this winter season regarding this and much more, in people's heads much has changed/shifted (in dangerous direction of course).
Maybe one could even talk about adrenaline which sadly became addiction means for many and feats as ego-boosting means.
Probably we realize that we didn't really need such things only when such tragedy happens personally to us or our loved ones.
I think Slovenians are quite at the bottom regarding awareness of dangers lurking in mountains, since serious warnings when life and death is at stake never too many.
Maybe need to strengthen some service in this field and give it legal powers.
If working system established, wouldn't (like me last summer) meet barefoot people on Triglav ridge and those pulling motorbikes and similar junk to the top just to brag about "achievement" in some media.
Sometimes, hand on heart, we also boast on internet forums, thereby perhaps unwittingly encouraging unskilled and under-equipped people to tackle things they're not up to.
To all brave wish as much knowledge, gear and caution as possible, because courage and luck often not enough.
heinz
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| viharnik2. 05. 2010 16:06:46 |
True what Heinz said and mostly zdomec, for the victim regret for tragic end.
Triglav, especially in winter demands much more from the mountaineer than in summer. Almost everyone climbs it and in given circumstances don't even assess if ascent feasible at all. Many don't even use basic gear. In Kot pod Jalovcem when ascending, saw a gentleman skiing down without helmet. Stops, ask him about snow above and back with incomprehensible bavardage. Then after few turns on snow falls and luckily catches himself, while sliding manages to turn skis downhill. In worst case severe abrasions on face and head injuries on slip into gully.
For the case on Triglav not understandable that they spent whole four hours for it before deciding to turn back, despite strong thaw. Dr
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| viharnik2. 05. 2010 16:12:35 |
Otherwise on such slopes in descent don't go off the already trodden path. If steps collapsing then rope up and upper one always belays with more or less taut rope, so no excessive force on the belayer.
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