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Veliki vrh (Košuta)

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KlemenD19. 04. 2017 17:02:52
On Monday 17/4/2017 on Veliki vrh…truly exceptional and without crowds - speaking for the morning time of course…

More in the video…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H65-229PnA
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misace18. 05. 2017 06:52:59
On Tuesday 16.5.2017, a bit different. Last asphalt turnoff about a kilometer lower right and on gravel to Vasovnik. On nice tracks and steep scree to the ridge under Kofce, to VV, and across Mala Kladivo and planina Šija past now permanently open Planšarija back to Kofce mežikanje
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lijaneja23. 05. 2017 21:51:28
Today I went exploring, so first time I skipped Matizovec and drove past Putrhof to an altitude of cca 1030m. I parked at the sign Kofce via Dolžanko and enjoyed the walk through the spruce forest. The hut is of course closed, as they stick to the opening hours like a drunk to a fence. Luckily in the neighbouring planšarija I got all I wanted. In the sun I visited Veliki vrh in total calm. Sadly no snow left anywhere. I returned via Toplar and Kofce peak and back on a very nicely marked path to the car. (I thought I had walked all marked paths)nasmeh
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Akvinski31. 05. 2017 10:04:07
I'm wondering if anyone recently went to Veliki vrh via secured climbing path and if the path is in good condition and dry.nasmeh
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julius31. 05. 2017 10:25:58
Make a little effort and check the Košutica thread one full day back. Tadej nicely wrote no snow and attached pic Košuta - Veliki vrh. Pictures clearly show no snow left on secured path either.
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tinky17. 10. 2017 16:31:50
Vranček, pl. Korošica, Hajnževo sedlo, via climbing route to Veliki vrh. Return to the saddle and via the eastern to Košuta. From Košuta down the hunter's path. In the climbing route the rope helps at two spots. Met 4 hikers, on the pasture for a full bus of kids. Path without special features, weather super.
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Mountain rhinoceros.11
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Passage old Ljubelj.23
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Stol, Orlice, Vrtača, Zelenjak, Palec.26
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Children returning to the valley.44
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ljubitelj gora19. 11. 2017 19:54:58
From Tuesday to today conditions above Kofce have changed a lot. Up the ridge to Kofce gora on tracks of predecessors. Further to Veliki vrh no one has gone yet. Walked all the time on the ridge, over Toplar to Veliki vrh. Back by the same arrival direction, descend the gully.
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nestvarna.blog21. 11. 2017 14:59:04
KOŠUTA VELIKI VRH AND KLADIVO 11.11.

https://nestvarna.blog/2017/11/17/karavanke-karawanks-kosuta/

DESERVED AD FOR SLO TOURISM AND HRIBI.NET WITHOUT WHICH I WOULDN'T BE UP THERE.


VERY DESIRED AD FOR SLO TOURISM & HRIBI.NET

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Ninđa21. 11. 2017 21:36:39
@nestvarna.blog

Bravo! Very nice pictures. FYI. Slovenian Karavanke are longer. They run from Tromeja (Rateče) to Maceljska gora (Zg. Gruskovja). Approx. 360 km. In Croatia Karavanke then split into two ridges. One towards Ravna gora, the other to Ivanščica. Both descend to the Pannonian plain.

Most end the longest Slovenian ridge at Uršlja gora. This is a mistake, as it continues towards Paški Kozjak (highest peak Basališče), Mala gora (highest peak Stenica), Kislice (highest peak Špicasti vrh), Konjiške gore (highest peak Stolpnik), Boča, Donačke gore and the aforementioned Maceljske gore.

P.s. capital letters = shouting mežikanje

Best, Nino
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djimuzl21. 11. 2017 22:31:22
Slovenian Karavanke in Croatia?
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Ninđa22. 11. 2017 06:31:26
@djimuzl in Croatia there are Croatian Karawanks. Just like in Austria, Austrian ones and in Italy, Italian ones mežikanje
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djimuzl22. 11. 2017 08:05:31
Ninđa, I also know how to correct text and then act smart.. Before that you had it written as if Slovenian Karawanks are in Croatia nasmeh mežikanje
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Ninđa22. 11. 2017 08:12:52
@djimuzl right. I really corrected it but only because it was obviously not clearly enough written. Thanks for the warning. But no need for such comments. I won't descend to your level.

Best, Nino
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djimuzl22. 11. 2017 08:17:56
Not descending, but shortening is needed nasmeh You still have 360 km of Slovenian Karawanks, now that you've started correcting velik nasmeh
And I was the one who descended, I admit..nasmeh
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Ninđa22. 11. 2017 09:20:51
@djimuzl you have a PM.

Best, Nino
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Daaam22. 11. 2017 10:50:53
Nino, if I represent it correctly, you've delved quite deeply into from where to where the Karawanks extend. Since there could be a similar problem here as the recent hot debate on the Balkan border, I'd ask you to share how you arrived at these conclusions, which sources you used etc. etc..
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Ninđa22. 11. 2017 15:09:27
@Daam with great pleasure. Right. I studied Slovenian Karawanks for more than 2 years.

To start, I studied SLO and AU literature since reliable data couldn't be found on the web alone. The book Karavanke (Klinar, 1997) was very helpful, where it precisely describes Slovenian Karawanks in the SE part of Slovenia.

The sentence from the book goes something like: "Slovenian Karawanks east of Paka continue in Paški Kozjak, 1273 m, Konjiška gora, 1014 m, Boč, 900 m, Donačka (Rogaška) gora, 883 m and Maceljska gora, 715 m".

That was my guide. I think Wikipedia describes something similar.

The length (approx. 360 km) I measured with the help of Suunto Ambit 2 sports watch. Users know how high-quality it is and how accurate the data it provides.

For easier visualization - the ridge length from Tromeja to Stol is approx. 70 km. Only then Uršlja gora or end - Maceljska gora.

But during exploring and researching Slovenian Karawanks I came to a theory or hypothesis that peaks between Pavličevo sedlo and Jezerski vrh (Matkova kopa, Mrzla gora, Velika Baba, Goli vrh etc. - I'll call them Mrzla gora group) belong to Karawanks, not Kamnik-Savinja Alps.

In rough theory Karawanks are divided into northern and southern ridge (Janša, 2010). My theory is based on simple observation of Karawanks and I believe Mrzla gora group belongs to the southern ridge of Karawanks which includes Bavh and Kepe group, Golica group, Stol, Košuta and Olševa. So my hypothesis places Mrzla gora group between Košuta and Olševa group. Here I'd like to mention that during the Carinthian plebiscite great powers (Americans) wanted to set the state border along the natural barrier called Karawanks. With this I mean that already in 1920 they classified Mrzla gora group as Karawanks. And because of that Austrian Bela doesn't belong to Slovenia.

Unfortunately I don't know rocks, so I asked books or geologists, who have mixed feelings. Brenčič, & Polting (2008) write that the southern border of Karawanks is not as pronounced and easily determinable as the northern. Kamnik-Savinja Alps most influence its course. Hardest to determine southern border in Tržič and Zgornji Jezerski area. Miler et al. (2014) geologically classify Jezerski meteorite, found near Češka koča at Spodnje Ravne, to Karawanks.

I must warn you that this hypothesis is unconfirmed assumption and just part of my knowledge of Slovenian Karawanks.

From the viewpoint of tracing Slovenian Karawanks into a meaningful whole, Mrzla gora group would make a big contribution to Slovenian Karawanks. On the route itself it wouldn't be necessary to descend to Austrian Bela (Belska kočna) and then continue towards Austrian Pristovški Storžič, but from Pavličevo sedlo one could descend (or for bolder over Matkova kopa to Mrzla gora) to Matkov kot and continue towards Mrzla gora. From Mrzla gora continue towards Savinjsko sedlo to Velika Baba and along the ridge to Jezerski vrh. Mrzla gora with 2203 m would become the second highest mountain in Karawanks.

Maybe you wonder why I mention Austrian Pristovški Storžič above? Here is ideal place to mention a comment I saw during the project. The author hit the core when he said the project has one flaw, namely that between Pavličevo sedlo and Jezerski vrh you have to descend to Austria. I completely agree with the comment. During researching Slovenian Karawanks I spent most time in this part (more than 100 hours).

I had four variants planned (Picture 2) namely (1) variant - (green color) this is the only variant on Slovenian territory and I described it above (Pavličevo sedlo - Matkov kot - Mrzla gora - Velika Baba - Jezerski vrh); (2) variant (blue color) Pavličevo sedlo - by road to Belska kočna valley - Goli vrh - Jezerski vrh; (3) variant (purple color) Pavličevo sedlo - by road to Belska kočna valley - by road to Jezerski vrh and (4) variant (red color) this is the route I used, i.e. Pavličevo sedlo - Pavlič farm - Bela - Pasterk farm - Pristovški Storžič.

Best, Nino mežikanje
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Ninđa22. 11. 2017 15:46:52
And all possible sources:

Maps:
- Stol - 1 : 25 000 (PZS, 2016)
- Karavanke - central part – 1 : 50.000 (PZS, 2015)
- Šaleška valley with surroundings 1 : 50 000 (PZS, 2013)
- Storžič - Košuta 1 : 25 000 (PZS, 2009)
- Posavje hills – Boč – Bohor – 1 : 50 000 (PZS, 2003)
- Kranjska Gora 1:30 000 (Geodetic Institute of Slovenia, 2002)
- Slovenske Konjice 1: 50 000 (Surveying Administration SO Slovenske Konjice, 1990)

Links to online maps:
Karavanke.eu
Geopedia
Hiking trails
Walking paths

Books/articles:
Miler, M., Ambrožič, B., Mirtič, B., Gosar, M., Šturm, S., Dolenec, M., & Jeršek, M. (2014). Mineral and chemical composition of the Jezersko meteorite—A new chondrite from Slovenia. Meteoritics & Planetary Science, 49 (10), 1875-1887.
Kokelj, J., & Kokelj, B. (2012). Karavanke 360°: panoramski pogledi . Lesce: samozaložba.
Janša, K. (2010). Karavanke - Planinski vodnik. Ljubljana, PZS.
Brenčič, M., & Poltnig, W. (2008). Podzemne Voda Karavank / Grundwasser der Karawanken. Ljubljana, Graz: Geološki zavod Slovenije, Joanneum Research Forschungsgesellschaft m.b.H.
Mušič, I., & Habjan, V. (2007). Karavanke. Ljubljana: Sidarta.
Cilenšek, M., Viktorijam, V. (2007). Vodnik Po gorah severovzhodne Slovenije. Ljubljana, PZS.
Klinar, S. (2005). 55 krat Karavanke: izbirni vodnik. Ljubljana, PZS.
Klinar, S. (1997). Karavanke : planinski vodnik. Ljubljana, PZS.
Klinar, S. (1983). Karavanke : planinski vodnik. Ljubljana, PZS.
Ficko, P. (1980). Po gorah severovzhodne Slovenije : planinski vodnik. Ljubljana, PZS
Klinar, S. (1975). Karavanke : planinski vodnik. Ljubljana, PZS.
Klinar, S. (1971). Karavanke : planinski vodnik. Ljubljana, PZS.
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mailman22. 11. 2017 17:05:39
Oh come on no!!! The guy (nestvarna.blog) made a nice tour, described the range by his sources, you instead of commenting his "day", argue totally pointlessly! Open your own thread or go to zs and prove knowledge to each other! No offense. Soon already second similar "pass-by".zmeden
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djimuzl22. 11. 2017 17:29:24
You're right, I definitely "strayed" in this regard.. Nicely presented, nestvarna.blog nasmeh
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