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Alpinism School

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jožka5. 10. 2012 19:54:39
Flora1
Too bad. I don't know English at all but it sounded so nice.
Rescuers and relatives of alpinists especially in the evening often wonder: ''What's happening to him, or what's wrong with him''. Tršica said that it's a question after the verb.
What about ''High votage alpinism''? Does that hold up?
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Flora15. 10. 2012 20:35:48
Just one more thing guys, then I'll stop.
@jožka: Here you can't draw analogies with Slovene language. The verb want requires to-infinitive, requires that an infinitive follows, and infinitive can only be a verb. But okay, if you don't know even a little English, as you wrote, then it's not important.
What you meant by high VOTAGE alpinism, I don't know, maybe voltage = el. voltage zmeden. Just in word combination with alpinism zmeden.
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jax5. 10. 2012 21:08:08
vansims:

Of course with your comment you confirmed every single word of mine. Of course this is already completely off-topic, so I'll just say this: yes, I think it's the duty of the state to care for the welfare of the population. That's why we have it!
As for avoiding extra work at job, I wouldn't generalize. Of course I believe you meant that we should work even more without extra pay. That's already more problematic, because it indirectly lowers the position of workers in general.
As for health care: this comment is dangerous. I believe you mean mainly smokers, alcoholics and such. But as soon as you start with such argumentation, you'll surely be next. Mountaineering is also a dangerous sport, isn't it?
As for 700 euros, just this: I haven't heard that specific statement, I believe it's real and I believe many really think that way. But keep in mind the fact that just under 600 euros a month from the state is the poverty threshold. So is it really so condemnable that someone doesn't want to do a job where they'll actually remain poor? True, some value themselves too high. But don't generalize it everywhere.
It has to be said that the ideology of minimal role of the state and complete individual responsibility for oneself is one big trap. Actually, what separates us from the third world is precisely the developed state infrastructure that enables us to participate in economic and social institutions. Without it we're somewhere in sub-Saharan Africa. There entrepreneurship is really the highest and everyone has to self-employ somehow to survive. But we have to some extent developed social structure and if we claim it's worth nothing and the individual is always guilty alone, we're actually digging our own grave. And if this structure doesn't work, it needs to be fixed, not claim it's not needed!
That's enough from me, I won't comment on this topic anymore.
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jožka5. 10. 2012 21:14:56
Flora1:
Even with ''high voltage'' I replaced rockandroll with alpinism and here too AC/DC strings are in between.
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som695. 10. 2012 21:18:10
What good you are...
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VanSims5. 10. 2012 23:21:09
@jax and other advocates of lazy dependency on others:

I increasingly notice that precisely those who don't realize they must take responsibility for everything in their life and not rely on other people, institutions,... haven't experienced a negative experience that would put them on solid ground or it was still so tolerable that they could console themselves with one of the above-mentioned excuses and move on.

Unfortunately, I have. Yes, the duty of the state was to provide me with social security in this case. But it wasn't. The duty of the health system was to cure me. But it didn't. I had to do it myself. Especially due to the incompetent family doctor (already changed in the meantime, of course). The duty of the rule-of-law state was to provide me justice in court. But it didn't! Especially due to the piss-poor lawyer who cashed in fat bucks with the whole court process instead of telling me right at the beginning that in this specific case I have no chance in court!

In all its cruelty, what Josef Kirschner says in the book Art of Egoism came true for me: "Do something for yourself in good time and don't wait for others. Take responsibility for yourself and your life yourself. If you leave it to others and wait for them to do something for you, they might, but only if it's also in their interest; otherwise, they'll mercilessly exploit you. When you can no longer, they'll discard you; no one will care for you anymore."

Well, exactly that happened to me; that was the experience! And since then I look at life differently. Those who haven't experienced something like that can still live and float in the clouds and imagine how others will do everything for them and that the only sense of life is delegating responsibility to others.

The duty of the state is to care for welfare, right? Yes, and there it stops. At the duty, namely! Well, just take a look at how the state respects this duty! We can see it clearly. Just don't tell me it's good,...

No, I didn't mean work without extra pay at all but to do as much as possible in eight hours or be as productive as possible. And of course know how to deal with bosses well,... and so on so as not to talk now about all strategies for success at work, which we know doesn't depend only on work.

Otherwise, over eight hours I don't either. Or a special contract and special pay. Then I can. But what is reality, say, in Germany and America is science-fiction for our employers. When after the above-described personal crisis I was looking for a job again, I was at an interview in some company where they expected me to work I don't know what overtime, even at home and I don't know what, for regular pay. I politely thanked them. If they had offered me more, I would have considered it. And if it suited me, of course, or I would have considered whether I might not find some better-paid side job instead of that extra work.

As for health care: The last thing I would expect is that some fellow mountaineer starts threatening me with the warning to be careful how dangerous a sport mountaineering is,... I usually hear that from non-mountaineers, or ordinary mountaineering plebeians who have rarely been higher than Krim or Kum (of course almost half were on Triglav). And I reply to them whether they will perhaps stop driving a car because of road accidents (for which the probability of happening to you is incomparably higher). And only they can throw mountaineers and their possible need for health services into the same category as smokers, alcoholics, and similar.

Mountaineering is above all a responsible sport. Well, we're back to responsibility. Not only do you take care yourself, acquire the best equipment, insure yourself,... not to repeat everything. Also here you mustn't shift responsibility onto others. E.g., rely that the one above won't trigger rocks - protect yourself with a helmet. But of course something can happen to anyone even if you insure yourself as best you can. That we all know here.

As for 700 EUR, I'm uncompromising: yes, such a one should go to work, because otherwise he's just an ordinary lazy parasite who would get money and do nothing for it! The money that he gets from the state can actually be used for someone who really can't get a job. And even if he goes to work, he'll contribute taxes to the state treasury with his work. A thing that apparently wasn't clear to whoever drafted the current labor legislation.
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ljubitelj gora6. 10. 2012 00:40:37
@VanSims:
Read fewer newspapers/forums/web pages..., send TV to Africa, go to the mountains, the next day come to my farm and you'll see how it's done and lived.
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Calendula6. 10. 2012 08:30:56
@MajaO: If you only knew what peace there was since you weren't here. Have you now moved from dogs to alpinism school and now we'll see your long-winded wisdom here?
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pohodnik116. 10. 2012 08:58:47
MajaO: I really laugh at some of your fabrications that outgrow the individual. Besides, »Ab alio exspectes, alteri quod feceris« still holds.
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Calendula6. 10. 2012 09:42:47
Štajerc won't be there this weekend? Maybe he already hit esc before getting the dog.
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VanSims6. 10. 2012 16:50:29
@LG: I cancelled the magazine long ago, I read online forums, sites... I didn't send the TV to Africa, but I gave it away via podarim.si to some old lady who sees poorly, her previous TV was already flashing impudently.

Anyway: what I said in the previous two posts, maybe it's written somewhere on some obscure alternative forum, but not at all on news or other official websites, even less in newspapers or TV. Why?

The reason is simple! No one will tell you that! Where would we end up if everyone behaved like that? If everyone took care of themselves first and took responsibility for their actions. Then no one could exploit or manipulate anyone! Those up there at the trough have an interest in people being irresponsible, unselfaware, controllable,... Worse! They would immediately become redundant: most politicians, various officials, incompetent managers, various companies that live only by advertising something everyone should have under their nose, three-quarters of the fashion industry,...,... People would simply start thinking! Living their own way. Asking themselves what they really need! There would be less and less of that shapeless easily controllable mass. God forbid! That's why such people who spread such ideas need to be suppressed, and the folk pumped with various platitudes like:

We're all in the same boat!
When we adopt these and those measures, it will be much better!
Just watch, if you don't have/do this or that,...
Solidarity, love, selfless giving to others,...
Honesty, faithfulness, loyalty,...
Trust us (company, institution,...), we know!
...

The media are not there to enlighten the masses, but to dumb them down as much as possible so they are easier to lead.
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ljubitelj gora11. 10. 2012 22:27:24
@VanSims: You slightly missed the point of this topic, but anyway the AŠ have already started, they rejected me, praised me for excellent knowledge and I am a good self-taught. hehehevelik nasmeh
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korl12. 10. 2012 07:33:31
LG, did they reject you because you already lectured them at enrollment? Don't worry, you can go straight to the alpine postgraduate velik nasmeh
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Loni12. 10. 2012 07:39:30
I don't believe that... People don't reject just anyone. Some kind of excuse. Anyway, there are tons of mountaineering schools. If you don't like one or it doesn't suit you, go to another... If financially they are not "nice", that's another story. You won't convince me even remotely with them rejecting you. My current budget doesn't handle 400 and more euros for now, I admit.

PS: VanSims already knows what he's writing about.
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zmaJ12. 10. 2012 16:38:09
LG, which school rejected you?
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viharnik12. 10. 2012 17:00:58
I remember AO under Turnec in '86, when my classmate's brother also stepped into the ranks. He was geared for fast, bold solo ascents in Turnec, when instructors at the top of the rock route via the beaten path around couldn't catch up and belay him. Just because of his stubborn self-will and skipping difficulties, they didn't consider him quite smooth in the alpinism school. Perhaps out of fear that something might happen or that during training without alpinist certificate he runs off alone into mountain walls.
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turbo12. 10. 2012 18:06:51
Those who stood out most in alpinism schools - by bold actions and not by talk - usually went to the stars. Some among the world-renowned alpinists. And others among those that shine so nicely for us on a clear night.
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ljubitelj gora16. 10. 2012 20:26:50
Finally at least 1 answer, but they start in 2013; there they ignored me... the only contact is email.
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TanjaM16. 10. 2012 22:22:36
Interesting. I contacted all LJ schools and they all replied to me. I did it before the lectures started. Most were very friendly. Maybe you're late because the schools are already running? They could still reply anyway.
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tulipan17. 10. 2012 18:18:11
LG,
maybe they didn't understand what you wrote to them in the email.
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