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sirt124. 09. 2012 17:33:23
One last time. I don't know if it's a coincidence, but the prices are the same as on Kriška Gora. There was no waiter, just a young girl!
Receipt up and down - important that for fair money you eat well!smile
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tinky24. 09. 2012 18:48:32
Lower Dolga Njiva 1490 m asl, upper Dolga Njiva 1580 m asl.
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julius24. 09. 2012 20:14:17
sirt1!
When you're comparing prices, don't compare oranges and apples. Supplies to Dolga Njiva are brought by road, to Kriška Gora by cable car!!
PD Križe pays all taxes for the entire business activity on Kriška Gora.
What about majerica?
Since it doesn't have registered catering activity, it pays nothing!
I hope you'll slowly understand the difference and where the price is too high.
What do you have with majerica that you're defending it so much?
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tinky25. 09. 2012 00:57:28
On Dolga Njiva, good and cheap,
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pikica125. 09. 2012 12:47:20
I found this interesting to read. I just pasted it, since it's about huts Click
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Becar25. 09. 2012 13:16:14
......"In a few years of work, weekend help and countless visits from work friends at Pogačnikov dom I maybe spotted five visitors who asked for a shower and weren't surprised at all when we said there isn't one. There just isn't. With such an offer the mountaineering club probably hopes for more guests. Unfortunately also different guests. And even "the real" guests are turning into "different" ones."..........

Is the author implying that "real" guests according to her don't want to wash (people who maybe don't wash even in the valley)? And those who mind going to bed sweaty are "different"? Strange thinking, shame you went for training in Austria, you'll obviously need to go many more times to learn something.

....."Do we really need everything? Even a shower?".......

Yeah madonna, does having a shower now mean having everything? Are we in Bangladesh?
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Becar25. 09. 2012 13:21:49
You can collect rainwater for showers, if we're not capable enough to process it into drinking water. But pointless, who showers nowadays anyway. Let's think about some hygienic minimum please.
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jprim25. 09. 2012 13:26:57
Rarely eat in huts, really very rarely, but sometimes the situation almost requires it... and so it was about 14 days ago at Dolga Njiva, it really looked similar to the photo above, just no bacon but sausage... well, yeah almost I'd say very bad, prices that kill you,...
Lesson of the story, donkey goes to ice even multiple timesnasmeh, if I cooked such jota at home like my dear one ate, I'd get ban from kitchenmežikanje, sausage faaaar from tasty good,
To the question if it was good, since I left food on plate, we rather stayed quiet, didn't want to offend in front of guests who probably had appetite eek,
Well, tastes are really different, and who isn't used to good farm food, I appreciate it and cook it often, really thinks everything on plate looks as it should.
If there's another chance for such delicacies, next time I won't stay quiet, let those who know how cook.
Praise for good food at Blejska koča and Komna.
LP!
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Enka25. 09. 2012 14:32:28
Excellent service, good food, friendly staff - Dom na Slivnici. Highly recommend.
Slivniška pancake1
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Janiel7425. 09. 2012 15:47:08
@Enka: that's news... there it always took half an hour for the bill...one for all... do they serve more now?
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Paintball25. 09. 2012 16:24:25
Becar, I have to comment on your outburst about the lack of showers in huts. I think no one is saying that people who want to shower in a hut are weird; it's mainly about people understanding that this "luxury" is not available in huts and accepting it. For consideration, I would emphasize that we all talk about keeping our mountains clean and pristine, on the other hand we would like to have all the comforts from the valley in huts (TV, showers, trash bins, drinking water, fresh linen...). But the negative impact on the environment is forgotten - and yes, wastewater is a BIG problem. Not to ramble, I recommend reading the below and similar articles.

http://www.delo.si/novice/slovenija/malo-planinskih-koc-ima-cistilno-napravo.html
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tinky25. 09. 2012 16:38:10
Kofce.
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katty25. 09. 2012 17:01:19
No hard feelings, but I was negatively surprised by the food at Kriških podih eek; otherwise the guy and girls were very friendly and hospitable nasmeh. As for food - hats off to cracklings at Komna. Such good ones I eat very rarely, ok, leave home, home is anyway the best eeknasmehmežikanje. By the way, given that the food - example goulash with polenta - at Dolič is extremely expensive, it is also very tasty nasmeh. Super. These are some examples that stuck in my memory.
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Becar25. 09. 2012 17:09:47
Paintball, read the article once more, you'll see the author speaks exactly about what you deny. Namely that hikers whom you offer a shower change from "the real ones" to "different ones". I think there's no other understanding possible here, so if someone has outbursts, it's you. And lots of enjoyment in sweat-soaked beds I wish. Huts we have as we are ourselves. When more civilized, we'll demand more than a pint and sausage for 15 EUR.
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cebelca25. 09. 2012 17:46:57
Becar, if you managed to reduce the whole article just to that statement, you probably should read it once more too.
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jax25. 09. 2012 17:47:24
As for showers in huts, it's like this: I never particularly missed them; it's true I've mostly done two-day tours if any. Those who might comment on such "modesty" are very few hikers on linked tours who don't go to the valley for days. Let's be clear, however much we moralize about modesty, one can hold out without a shower for two days, maybe three, then one REALLY wants it. What the solution is, honestly, I don't know. But just say: on this year's Dolomites visit we stayed in a hut with shower (didn't use it). That hut despite shower and decent food didn't feel less "mountaineerish" than most Slovenian ones. What makes a hut "more authentic" and attracts "real" hikers is definitely not its equipment, but distance from the valley, accesses and nearby peaks. Huts are not chosen (or I don't know such people) by the standard they offer, but by which path they lie on.
BTW, since paintball mentioned other "valley luxury" elements, let me comment those: as for trash, I agree of course. Bins and organized trash removal must have those huts with road access. Others - carry to the valley yourselves. Drinking water - if none, none. No pipelines. Bedding - sleeping bag is a fine solution here. It supports use of one's own. TV - actually no reason to reject it a priori. Long evenings in huts often, one would want it. Easier to follow current weather forecast too. Energy use not big.
So, a realistic attitude to the environment is needed, not a priori moralizing. That Austrian hut is a fine example; it does not resemble a restaurant by its standard, but by location and access.
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Becar25. 09. 2012 18:10:15
@jax: I sign under it

Exactly as you wrote. I don't know why one should give up all civilized things when visiting the mountains and live like 100 years ago. Then it's already a pity that huts exist on paths at all, since by nature they surely don't belong there.
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VanSims25. 09. 2012 19:08:45
Under the guise of protecting nature and the environment, this article basically advocates doing nothing to the infrastructure (huts, paths,...), and with the 'eco' excuse and blah blah everything stays as it was 30-40 years ago, in short the PZS top collects money from membership fees, budget, fat prices in huts and in return doesn't lift a finger for better infrastructure.

>>>Expansions of mountain huts, except if aimed at reducing environmental load, are otherwise not allowed in TNP.

And that's it? Then the erection of the huts themselves was controversial from the TNP standpoint. And why are nice modern huts possible abroad even in national parks? Ah, and why could they turn Kredarica into a similar or even worse hotel like the one at Dobrač? Not even with the intention of profit, to make Kredarica the center of mass tourism in our Alps. And what about huts outside TNP?

And the author obviously doesn't distinguish modern standards from mass tourism? Mass tourism has little to do with regular (e.g., every 20-30 years) updating and also expanding of huts.

The debate about showers in huts is only possible in Slovenia. Abroad it's understandable and every one I've slept in had one. And both in the heart of mass tourism in the Dolomites e.g. at Passo Fedaia under Marmolada and also e.g. at little-known Colle di Valdobia somewhere in the hills above the Aosta valley at 2400 m where only a hiking path leads, no road, no cable car, and the hut is somehow at the level of standard of an average Slovenian one. But it has a shower. With hot water, to be understood!

And abroad of course they charge for shower use in the hut separately (which is not customary in valley pensions and hotels). Usually with tokens, one token for a certain amount of water and thus prevent excessive water consumption, which is really precious in the mountains; this price includes all ecology and technology, about which they don't whine to mountaineers in articles there but include it in the price.

Here laymen burden us with technological and ecological blah blah about showers (better publish that in some technical magazine) in the mountains. Rather install them! How you implement it technologically and ecologically is your business.

It's similar to if I wanted to install e.g. AC in the car and the mechanic starts explaining the technological implementation of the installation and all details and that he must ensure the AC is as ecological as possible,... Nah, I don't care! Tell me what it'll be like, how powerful, what functionalities it'll have and the price, and if OK, do it!
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Becar25. 09. 2012 19:42:02
VanSims, BRAVO! One big plus from my side. If we want as few hikers as possible (so that nature remains pristine), then let's also demolish those huts that already stand. Unbelievable what all hides behind eco moralizing today.
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viharnik25. 09. 2012 20:01:57
By feeling, our PZS people went to Dobrač similar to how Pukšič wanted to go to South America, sort of more of an excursion with taxpayer money.
I myself do not advocate full comfort at huts, especially if there are no natural water sources and consequently arranged wastewater and sanitary water treatment plants. But where it's possible to implement it and also protect nature, why not. Thus, Koča v Krnici also acquired the novelty of showers, which will certainly be a balm for many after a tour. One also sleeps much better showered than dirty. In PZS things are moving slowly. A year has passed and they still haven't determined and characterized trails for MTB tours. Also, some winter markings-poles for ski tourers in case of fog could be better marked, essentially just with the good will of individual markers. Since money is short everywhere here, the Austrians are already somewhat meeting us halfway by establishing weather-avalanche stations in the Karavanke, which is very praiseworthy. There is always enough work in TNP, one just has to see it.
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