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metod25. 09. 2012 23:15:20

I fully agree with the author's opinion! The contribution goes beyond the average Slovenian and European mountaineer, who sees in the mountains only himself and that bit of cosmetic environmental protection, so he thinks he has a clear conscience.
We talk about standards, civilization, progress and similar egocentrisms. We will progress when we take a step back in our expectations and realize that our mountains are a playground for us, but a habitat for many animals and plants, and we are willing to give up something for them. There is no need to debate whether we must install showers at 2000m; we should ask whether we really need macaroni dish, beer and another 5 menus there now! Why not make some selection among mountaineers too? Let those who can't go to the mountains without beer and menus stay in the valley!

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Enka25. 09. 2012 23:51:56

@Janiel74: on Sunday three served, and very quickly. And friendly. We were satisfied. True, there was no big crowd, because the weather was so-so.

tanja30726. 09. 2012 09:34:16

Yeah, yeah... and showers... and the hutkeeper comes to tuck you into bed and kiss goodnight... Let's be real, those who have a built-in hygiene minimum can take care of their cleanliness in the hut in the evening with a little water from the tap. When I go to the mountains I know where I'm going and what to expect and adapt to it, those who can't manage... let them stay home under the shower... mežikanje

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keber126. 09. 2012 10:46:40

Showers in huts are not taken for granted even in Austria and Italy. Let them be where there is huge flow of people, enough water and very well organized water cleaning. Expecting showers in huts below Triglav and similar high mountain stations is an illusion. When I was in August at Stanič hut, the heavy rain the day before provided just enough water that it flowed from the taps for a good day and no more. The karst geology of our Alps simply doesn't allow the same water conditions as granites elsewhere.

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jprim26. 09. 2012 13:45:51

Really stupid question was asked this August to the hutkeeper on Planina Ravne, if they don't have a shower anywhere... and water.
Due to this year's drought they had to move livestock elsewhere on several pastures because cows and horses were thirsty, or haul it from elsewhere (example pasture in TNP) - but someone still wanted to shower nasmeh

Best regards!

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luky6826. 09. 2012 14:23:51

Bravo tanja307, that's the essence of everything,..

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VanSims26. 09. 2012 21:23:40

@jprim: anything worse, huh? He wanted to shower...

OK, not that I'm demanding some luxury in the mountains. But then tell me where the limits are for you? OK @metod, no makaronflajš. What about jota, pasulj, ričet? For me that's no less luxury than makaronflajš. What then? Bread and mineral water? Oops. Too much luxury! Dry bread and water, that's it!

OK, @tanja307, no showers! Tap yes? But there the filth doesn't go into the ground, from soaps, toothpaste,... but tap isn't luxury. Barrel of water for everyone! That's it.

So where is the acceptable luxury for you 'ascetics' and where not anymore? Or is acceptable what PZS determines? And on Kredarica, PZS main profit center, one standard, on some godforsaken hut another? Then you're just like fervent members of various churches, various eco, peace organizations, vegetarians, various activists,... You can't really debate with them. What their central authority says is good, he'll defend with all arguments, what they say is not ok, he'll fiercely reject. And pretend it's his opinion. Others shape his mind!

And one more thing, dear 'ascetics'. If one hut offered at the SAME PRICE:

1. pension with only stew for dinner, for breakfast tea, bread and jam, beds with old sheets and hard mattresses, washing only in sink and only outhouse (or Czechoslovak as you want jezik

) WC.

2. decent dinner e.g. makaronflajš at least jezik

if not some roast and potatoes, for breakfast at least besides previous also porridge and salami and coffee or cocoa, and nice new sleeping bags with proper bedding and shower and WC upstairs.

you dear 'ascetics' would have to choose the first. Talking one thing and doing another would be hypocritical.

You go practice your asceticism, but don't force it on others. Huts should be modernized, you can sleep on the floor, outside let them put a tap and WC for you, and eat ammm... yeah whatever isn't comfort and all night mock those who dare to treat themselves a bit more in the mountains and pose as some prestigious higher caste of mountaineers, the 'real' ones, the others just spoiled crowd for you!

slamca26. 09. 2012 22:14:30

I don't know why such excitement.....all who think shower is mandatory at whatever altitudes go where they offer it. For me it can be even on top of Everest, leave us what we have at home and the wolf sated and the goat whole. At least there won't be such crowds in the mountains jezik

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andrej.bg26. 09. 2012 22:44:16

Incredible really, how much excitement and persistence. One would think we have nothing smarter to do.
Alpine huts were created as a need for shelter from harsh conditions in the mountains, roof over head, safe rest. That's basically what they remained to this day. Of course, over the years they modernized, some more than others and everything they offer, be it a poor tap or hot shower, is welcome to the mountaineer, whether he uses it is personal decision. I think conditions in huts improve year by year, but not all huts can improve certain conditions simultaneously and no need to compare them.
Regarding service I think it's quite good, of course depending on the cook's skill, well not even my wife makes it like mom.. And we know someone prefers short but thick, others long and thin sausage, or we can bring our own from home.
Personally I go to mountains for joy of nature's beauty, in huts happy for pleasant atmosphere and good company and try to be content with good, if something doesn't fit I don't give it importance.

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tisa26. 09. 2012 22:51:20

I, on the other hand, enjoy hiking in the mountains precisely because the environment, food and sleep are different from home. Even after a whole week I hiked in the Julian Alps, no comfort came to my mind. That's also why mountaineering is so close to me, because I feel like some vagabond, nomad, who walks from mountain to mountain, with drink and modest food in backpack, and even sing something on the way and refresh at spring. I don't need a comb, because the breeze "combs" my hair. All luxury I'm used to at home is forgotten, fades away before the views that caress our wonderful mountains and everything that goes with it.

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cebelca27. 09. 2012 07:35:37

Van Sims, what a question. nasmeh

Of course I'd rather sleep in the first house. Firstly, because there would probably be fewer people, and they would be even less annoying, because, e.g., they wouldn't bother the hutkeeper why the showers don't have hot water, and why the bread isn't fresh, and why the bedding isn't snow white. jezik

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dprapr27. 09. 2012 10:20:49

But there is a third way, besides comfort and ascetic stay in huts.
If a hut appears on your way, you don't enter and go further!

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ivona27. 09. 2012 17:19:33

Do you know what Tomaž Humar said about washing in the Himalayas;
-If I have the chance I wash once a week, whether it's needed or not!! nasmeh

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VanSims27. 09. 2012 18:51:24

@cebelica: from the mood and assigning of pluses on this forum I'd judge that the first house would be much more crowded. mežikanje

Of course if all those who advocate it here really mean it seriously.

Well, once again I call on you to say what comfort is for you? Is it exactly what's the current PZS reality now (or from here on)? Or is comfort everything more than an emergency bivouac? Is Kredarica comfort? Oh, by the way Kredarica: that when you enter there's a reception and check-in counter, no such comfort even anywhere in Europe! zavijanje z očmi

Even in such a comfortable hut abroad, you had to nicely go to the counter to the keeper and chat with him.

So what is comfort for you therefore? In accommodation? In hygiene and sanitary conditions? In food? Well at least there tastes can be so different! For me e.g. dunajc with fries, which some consider the peak of comfort, that's definitely not. You get it in every tavern in the valley, it's easy to prepare, expensive just because they consider it noble, but in reality it's a plain plebeian dish.

Much greater comfort for me e.g. good strudel, good stew, good struklji, sour milk,... these old good peasant dishes you rarely get in valley inns increasingly oriented American, Italian (pizza, pasta), German,... . That's comfort and the huts are aware of it, that's why they charge so much for it.

And as for the rest it can depend on the individual. I e.g. won't miss a pillow on the bed since I'm used to sleeping without. Someone else can't and for him it's not luxury but something normal.

That's the point therefore, not because something is or isn't comfort but because everyone has their own comfort standards.

pikica127. 09. 2012 20:02:50

VanSims I see you'd be with us in the first hut and nicely eat stew with us. Then we'd sing one or two more songs and go to sleep nasmeh

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facko27. 09. 2012 22:07:11

@pikica1: and drink something cold / bitter with appropriate amount of foam on top, because on such occasions usually strong thirst appears velik nasmeh

which needs to be quenched immediately eek

Which one would we sing? A church one: At the parish church nasmeh

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pikica128. 09. 2012 01:04:23

Here @facko will also be with us in the first hut nasmeh

Otherwise I think some complicate these mountains a bit too much. Stuff some food and drink in the backpack and go. Sometimes it's a bit wet, too cold, windy, hot as hell. But at the end of the day you're pleasantly tired and super happy about the nicely spent day. It's different if there are kids in the group or some hiker with any
health issues. That's different.
A healthy adult should just endure a day with a modest snack and no shower.
I leave home clean, after two days walking in mountains I can't stink so much that people jump into abyss when they meet me on the path or something eek

I liked the article, that's why I pinned it here. I didn't imagine such a fuss would arise.
Interesting that no one commented on that part talking about the new path from Kot to Triglav.
Have a good time, wherever you are.

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merkur28. 09. 2012 11:08:08

Regarding the news about refurbishing the path over Dimike and Luknja peč I can only join the hope that it's pulled out of thin air. But still strange, because (so far) no denial from Skalaši has been seen. Probably have to go to the site before winter to see what the cleaning action mentioned in the article means in practice?! Although it probably won't help anything, like loud opposition to arbitrary placing of "Aljažkov" or other "signs" didn't... Maybe wrong thinking that the word rock always rhymes with morale. zavijanje z očmi

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Bobaje28. 09. 2012 14:53:23

Go once on some expedition to Andes or Himalayas, then talk about luxury, hygiene, food...

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VanSims28. 09. 2012 17:39:03

@facko: that bitter liquid with foam could already be comfort for many! mežikanje

But I agree with what @IgorZlodej wrote in obviously deleted message, that night silence outweighs everything. If there was racket in the second house I'd gladly join those in the first.

As for new paths, same thing: why not? Everywhere abroad they open, refurbish them, only here everything had to stop because of one silly rule in PZS statute. By the way, how could those who built the via ferrata on Gonžarc bypass that rule?

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