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| Bojan_A22. 07. 2011 19:38:49 |
Great photos, Igor! You have ZS:
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| panda22. 07. 2011 20:56:05 |
IgorZ: thanks. Not that I would stumble, but the closest neighbor deserves a published photo. 
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| panda22. 07. 2011 20:57:08 |
IgorZ: thanks. Not that I would stumble, but the closest neighbor deserves a published photo.
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| IgorZlodej22. 07. 2011 21:31:50 |
@Bojan, waiting for ZS, @panda, you're right, first neighbor is first after all, so I added it right away.
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| jaz22. 07. 2011 21:39:06 |
Just a bit more till jubilee. Cheers!
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| mukica23. 07. 2011 10:59:29 |
Nice, nice pictures and even nicer tour. Hope I will climb Jalovec someday.  and Škrlatica. I have awe for both, desire though
Until then when I maybe succeed I will follow you... 
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| joža x23. 07. 2011 11:27:19 |
I, first pic ... wonder of nature, shame that we are prepared to sacrifice so little for preserving the pristine mountain world. I was on Jalovec 4 years ago on descent thunderstorm caught us and health problems in group, so on this hike I don't have... Definitely the most demanding mountain in Slovenian pp.
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| urbancek23. 07. 2011 20:26:32 |
Every mountain can be more or less demanding... Often it's like that, that a large part of the difficulty is added by weather conditions... So, first weather, then everything else...
I agree with what's written, I hope to stand on top soon... Cheers!
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| IgorZlodej24. 07. 2011 07:57:08 |
I wouldn't fully agree with urbancek regarding weather conditions. Because in bad weather we usually don't go anyway, except rare exceptions, who then occasionally have something go wrong and need to go meet them. Weather conditions as such don't affect the difficulty of the approach to the mountain, assuming conditions are ideal, i.e. dry rock and in winter good snow conditions. Very annoying at least to me is the wind, which has also already pushed someone off the ridge or simply flipped them over, followed by a slip, at least in winter usually to death. To Janez on @jaz's picture of course this couldn't happen, but it's a nice memory of meetings with him. If Jalovec is the most demanding mountain I wouldn't know, I've been up there over 50 times, about 10 times also in winter and winter conditions and it was always mainly nice, never particularly difficult, maybe also because weather conditions didn't bother me.
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| urbancek24. 07. 2011 08:44:47 |
@IgorZlodej: I wrote that assuming conditions are not ideal, which I hope is logical to everyone
I agree, wind is on some ascents a very dangerous thing... And also the difficulty of traversing some slope or incline can be different even in nice weather just if there's a lot of moisture in the air... We will use more energy for the ascent... physiology... Because often it's like that that we make the tour difficult or easy ourselves... If we are on the edge with strength the tour of course suddenly becomes very difficult...
Best regards!
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| IgorZlodej24. 07. 2011 10:36:46 |
It's a bit off-topic, but I didn't start it. It's logical to go to the mountains in as ideal conditions as possible, so discussing non-ideal conditions misses the point. We should never allow ourselves to reach the limit of our strength on a tour. That's called lack of psychophysical fitness, the consequence is incapacity, total exhaustion, which consequently leads to an accident. Fear-respect for a mountain can of course be overcome with proper preparation, ultimately also with a guide. Otherwise, it's quite right that Jalovec is what it is.
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| otiv1. 08. 2011 07:12:41 |
Jalovec is like cream on top of a fruit cup, if I write it pastry-chef style in the mountaineering sense. Truly unforgettable "fruit cup"
Good luck to all!
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| ljubitelj gora2. 08. 2011 17:58:37 |
Today I first met user @velkavrh, goal Jalovec, up via Škrbina, back towards Kotovo sedlo, snowfield crossing, this time no need under the notch, could go deep below. Path strenuous, crumbling, dangerous, helmet essential. From Jalovec to Kotovo sedlo all crumbly rocks.
Path was okay for me, but too little for adrenaline, how @velkavrh liked it he'll add himself.
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| urbancek2. 08. 2011 18:35:28 |
Me too today at 9:05 on summit Went variant Flori-Zadnja Trenta - Jalovec (past shelter under Špička, took 3h15min, downhill dawdled a bit, total incl. snacks, photos ca. 7h round trip.
Impressions:
+: great weather, very friendly caretakers under Špička, nice path and views
-: mountain on PZS badge would deserve on mentioned path some pole with path signs (variants, difficulty, altitude etc.), markings and general signs on path could be better... Chains loose in places, pitons illogically placed... e.g. how should a foreigner know where to go at junction where nothing is written... But, it was a beautiful day, no need to list more...
Best regards to all!
P.S: Wasn't there once a pole on the summit or what was it?
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| otiv2. 08. 2011 19:55:49 |
@urbanček
What do you think, do they have signposts on the Himalayas too?
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| urbancek2. 08. 2011 20:32:46 |
...this isn't the Himalayas, but alongside Triglav our national or mountain symbol!
Signposts or those arrows are nowadays almost everywhere, on the least important hills... and can be very useful on such paths, because they lift the information a bit off the ground, and rain doesn't wash them away either...
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| julius2. 08. 2011 20:55:14 |
OTIV!
For types like you, definitely not!
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| ljubitelj gora3. 08. 2011 18:04:24 |
@velkavrh I remembered, if I'd had a rope with me, I could've made a belay for crossing the snowfield under the notch too. Lucky there was passage under the snowfield, but I'd cross it above anyway if not below, cuz even in the wall you're not sure if the piton will hold, crumbly terrain. From Vršič the path is less crumbly, from Jalovec summit to Kotovo sedlo it's much crumblier, most dangerous if hikers below or above you, so better wait sometimes. On the path to Kotovo sedlo you have to be careful and watch where all the marks are, path goes zigzag all the time and some narrow ledge in wall can mislead you quickly.
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