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| lijaneja10. 12. 2018 17:30:07 |
The color of the barrier in the boy's case is unimportant. The way of opening - closing should be vertical and not horizontal.
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| jax10. 12. 2018 18:21:37 |
Maybe the problem isn't in the barrier color, but in cyclists' culture. I don't wish an accident on anyone, but the boy was solely to blame himself. That because of such stories we're all worse off didn't seem right to me even then and still doesn't.
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| Domch11. 12. 2018 09:25:48 |
Mountains are for walking on foot, not with cars, of which there are already too many everywhere anyway. Our predecessors conquered many things from the valley without all this newfangled gear and didn't whine to anyone.
To Tamar you can get with touring skis, cross-country skis or sleds.
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| lijaneja11. 12. 2018 10:03:00 |
I don't know if you'll still have this opinion in 20 years.
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| dprapr11. 12. 2018 10:03:06 |
Domch, not just our predecessors.
My generation walked from bus stops, then with cars, now on foot again. They say in the end we do what we did in our youth.
Back then in Tamar we also pitched tents, slept in front of the chapel. Nice times those were. There was more bustle in the huts then. Valleys were sometimes really empty, especially outside the summer season.
Anyway, with this valley closing system without parallel services nothing is solved.
And if the road isn't dust-free, it's better that it's closed. I saw cyclists this year riding to Vrata.
Dejan, good ascent you did. Take care.
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| mosovnik11. 12. 2018 12:23:23 |
Damn, it won't let me rest until I comment on this topic about approaches. "dprapr", I sign under your statement about hiking etc. Yeah, it was nice in those times, when late in the evening together, led by the hut keeper in Tamar Marjan, we "roared" his original song: Tamar, Tamar, there under Poncami....
As for closing valleys, we don't have anything arranged anyway (public transport or similar). Namely, my seven crosses really miss free access to the hut in early morning hours, when there's already almost three hours driving behind me and then.... Well, because of that I haven't been in those parts for six years. Access from Vršič to "little king" doesn't outweigh the Tamar one.
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| Stas12. 12. 2018 13:13:50 |
I'll comment anyway. I see no rational reason why the road to Tamar is closed. For most going e.g. to Jalovec, probably 2x walking is completely unnecessary. I'd suggest/introduce payment 5-10 EUR for road or parking and let everyone decide how they'll go. With those few km driving we won't save nor destroy TNP. By that logic, Krma, kot... can also be closed. Also on Vršič I'd introduce toll. No need to clean, maintain roads. Clear to all. Best regards!
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| pikpok12. 12. 2018 13:40:57 |
I don't see the problem. The road is closed. If someone doesn't feel like walking let them drink coffee/beer in Kranjska Gora. Or let them go by car and if there's a fine they'll pay 
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| redbull12. 12. 2018 13:53:44 |
I'd rather go on foot from Rateče than pay 5-10eur for parking
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| jax12. 12. 2018 15:47:16 |
See how different we are. I'd gladly pay a reasonable parking fee if it would allow me to avoid an hour-long flat walk along the road. I don't know what it has to do with mountains.
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| dprapr12. 12. 2018 16:34:56 |
There are hills left and right.
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| jax12. 12. 2018 17:00:57 |
Approximately as much as on the Gorenjska motorway.
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| dprapr12. 12. 2018 17:12:36 |
If you equate that, then it's really better to drive along the valley.
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| lijaneja12. 12. 2018 17:19:49 |
Guys, don't you see that Dejan pasted a smiley.
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| dprapr12. 12. 2018 19:23:14 |
I really don't see a reason here why they'd take this wonderful part of the valley from pedestrians and cyclists. If there are cars among them, and the road stays gravel, they'll be dusted to hell. Similar to Vrata, though there, hand on heart, it's really far on foot.
And those 45 minutes aren't that far. We just warm up for the ascent to Jalovec by the hut. Dejan probably not even that.
Tone, as for those 20 plus years, I'm already thinking now that I'll slowly give up the "higher" goals and go for lower ones. Sadly, that's how it is.
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| redbull12. 12. 2018 19:28:00 |
Example from last winter: I went from Radovna to Triglav so many times that when snow melted in spring I automatically parked in Kurja vas and changed into gojzarji. You get used to it, but true when older you want closer. Not that young myself anymore
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| lijaneja12. 12. 2018 20:15:54 |
Drago, in twenty years we'll drive electric car to Tamar, from there observe Jalovec with binoculars
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| miri12. 12. 2018 20:37:38 |
...if you'll know where you are and what you're looking at.
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| lijaneja12. 12. 2018 21:10:03 |
No worries, you'll come behind us (mano).
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| miri13. 12. 2018 09:33:43 |
I'm already ahead of you.
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